OT: Something worrying

Strategia_In_Ultima · #1 January 21st, 2006, 09:57 AM

OK, now I really have an urge to post "NOOOOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!" but I have something serious to say about the matter too.

OK, first off, I'm a devout (if you could call it that) atheist, I don't believe in God or any supernatural being, if I were to believe in anything it's be science. I don't believe Christ rose from his grave on Easter, but I do believe he existed. As a person, if nothing else.

There is plenty of evidence for that, but I'm not gonna try and put up some coherent sources here - but think about this: if Christ never existed, how did the Catholic Church ever come into being? Suddenly and inexplicably? No. Religions, much less churches, aren't founded without a prophet. They don't just pop into existence. By far the most logical person to be the prophet for the Catholic faith, is Jesus Christ.

(Still, the question remains - how then did the Catholic church become the [ib]Catholic[/b] church, and not the Christian church? Most world faiths are named after their prophets, or the core ("Islam" means peace) of their faith. Where then did the name "Catholic" come from? There's probably a logical explanation for this, but I don't know it.)

There. That's been said. Now on to other business.

NOOOOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!

Ed Kolis · #2 January 21st, 2006, 11:53 AM

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(Still, the question remains - how then did the Catholic church become the [ib]Catholic[/b] church, and not the Christian church? Most world faiths are named after their prophets, or the core ("Islam" means peace) of their faith. Where then did the name "Catholic" come from? There's probably a logical explanation for this, but I don't know it.)

"Catholic" means "universal"; this is why even the Protestants believe in "one holy catholic and apostolic church"; it's just that the Roman Catholic church (as well as a few other Christian churches) have made that word part of their name.

As for "Islam", I believe a more apt translation is "submission", i.e. "submission to the will of God"; "Muslim" is thus "one who submits" (to God).

El_Phil · #3 January 21st, 2006, 01:42 PM

That explains a random fact I recently found out: The Anglican church in Japan is called the "Japanese Holy Catholic Church" despite, obviously, being nothing to do with any flavour of Catholicism. Now I know why. Cheers Ed!

JAFisher44 · #4 January 22nd, 2006, 12:04 AM

Narf, only the rights of people living in Italy will be effected by this. And only then, in the unlikely event that this guy wins.

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If someone says something to you which causes you to give them money and it then emerges they were lying you have legal recourse to get that money back. Unless it's a religion in which case it's gone forever, which I do have a problem with.

The problem with this is that religion never really promises anything concrete. For example, everyone was on the edge of their seat waiting for the end in 1999, then again in 2000 when they realised that was the real end of the milenium. But nothing happened. So, does everyone decide that its all bunk? No, of course not. All christians know that the end is coming "someday" but there is no concrete answer as to when. Even in the bible it says that God does not measure time as man does. So, as long as it hasn't happened, it's "coming."

The major problem with this is that it will never emerge that a religion was lying. Even if the end hasnt come by the year 200,000 it will still be "coming" and there will prolly still be christians waiting for it.

Atrocities · #5 January 22nd, 2006, 12:40 AM

Starhawk · #6 January 22nd, 2006, 01:18 AM

And to that AT I have to say screw you......I am neither weak minded, gullible OR easily manipulated.

I don't follow easily and I hardly ever give respect without it being earned.

I am NOT a fanatical narrow minded person, I am in fact very open minded and have had friends of numerous faiths and have even had romantic interests for a Wicken girl in my time.....and a buddhist..oh and that jewish girl....and an athiest and a few christian girls.

Basically narrow minded my *** and what you just said is not only insulting but down right stupid and it suprises me that YOU would say it as you are normally quite smart and level headed.

I also have hurt plenty of people for just pissing me off or taking a swing at me without needing to say "God made me" nor have I EVER said God approved of me breaking some idiots nose for saying something nasty about my sister. OR breaking that other idiots nose for taking a swing at me...or etc.

What I'm saying is "more people have been killed for "love" "hate" and jealousy then have EVER been killed in the name of GOd." So you want to be rid of love? because that starts hate and jealousy plenty in human history.

Suicide Junkie · #7 January 22nd, 2006, 03:38 AM

Wow, I can't believe you said that Atro. That's gotta be the most trollish thing posted on this board in the last two years.
*Don't do that again*

Starhawk, you gotta calm down a bit there... you're way overreacting.

Spoo · #8 January 23rd, 2006, 01:05 AM

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Religion is for the weak minded, the gullable, those who follow, cannot think for themselves, the narrow minded, the fanatical, and the insane.

More people have been killed in the name of God than by any other means.

I have lost all respect I had for you, Atrocities. This is a low point for this forum.

Renegade 13 · #9 January 23rd, 2006, 02:25 AM

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I have lost all respect I had for you, Atrocities. This is a low point for this forum.

I do not mean to offend with this question but...why? Why would AT voicing his opinion cause you to lose respect for him? Sure, you may not agree with his opinion, but it is his opinion. Is he not entitled to hold a differing opinion from that of most other people?