Byblical Mod Discussion ("Moved" from Dom3 forum)

[shovah]

it adds fallen angels and the 'jotuns' in it use more supplys me thinks. it also has some of the hybrids (wimpy ones) you get from crossbreeding iirc.

[WraithLord]

Impressing stuff guys.
Keep it going

Just throwing some ideas:
What about the high priests of Israel, the "Kohanim"?
Do you plan on making references to the tribes - Yehuda, binyamin etc.
For unique heroes, you may consider Moses (with mute affliction) and A'haron (I think it is Eron in english) the exodus heroes.
If it were possible to mod national spells it could have been interesting to give them "Kruvim" and "Seraphim" which are angles, guardians of the holy temple and high ranking in the angelic hierarchy.
No cavalry, no spears, no heavy armor so low prot but higher def and mobility.
Consider the siege at "Mesada" I'd give at least some of the troops some of the whatever bonuses possible vs. siege.

[Nerfix]

You'll have to tell more about Kohanim and the tribes if you want to see them. I only remember the Levi who were ordered to become the priests.

On the subject of national spell, I am sure that there could be a ton of interesting summons...I'd really have to read up about angels.

Hmmm, no spears?

I was actually toying with the idea of unit with siege bonus.

[WraithLord]

On the 12 tribes and Kohanim and levyim (pronounced levi'im), as far as my memory goes that is:

There were three fore fathers to the Israelite nation -
Abraham -> Yitzhak (who was to be sacrificed by his father to god as a test of faith) -> Ya'akov (Jacob), whose name means "he who grabs the ankle" - for it was told that he had fought an angle in his dream and won the fight by grabbing at its ankle. So Ya'akov was also called Israel had twelve sons who where the fathers of the twelve tribes

Ya'akov's sons:
Reuben - first born, name means look, son,
Shim'on (Simon) - name means listening,
*** Levi *** - He his the fore father of the priests tribe whose most prominent members were Moses and A'haron. The Kohanim were decndents of A'haron who was the first "Kohen gadol" or high priest. The levites are lesser priests then the Kohanim.
Yehuda (Judah) - his decedents have kept their identity through the millennia - they are today's jews.
The rest are Dan, Naftali, Gad, Asher, Issachar and Zvulun.
Last were Joseph (described as a prophet in the bible) and Benjamin.

Wow, that came out long, now don't got me started on the angles

[Agrajag]

No spears?
As far as I know from bible lessons, spears were used (IIRC the Akravaim from "Avi yser etchem beshotim veani ayaser etchem beakravim" were spearlike)
And Ya'akov grabbed the ankle of Esav when they exited their mother's womb.
As for the tribes, in the bible the different tribes didn't have much of a different identity to emphasize in the game, so I don't see how you can add them (except for maybe the Levi).
Maybe they are mentioned in other sources, but I wouldn't know about that.

And cavalry is an option, IIRC king David had many horses at his disposal. (Though I agree cavalry should be weak, if at all existing, since in most of he stories the Israelites had very little cavalry/horses, and Israel does not have any natural population of horses AFAIK)

BTW, the ancient israelites had the technology to build siege towers, so if you feel like giving them some sort of siege weapon

EDIT: Whoops! Apparently the forum software can't support hebrew. *replaces hebrew with "English"*

[Endoperez]

Slingers and bowmen seem to have been part of the Israelite (Israeli?) forces. It is especially mentioned that the slings were used left-handed. Maybe most infantry should be given slings and precision of 14 - using slings took lots of training, but stones were easy to come by. Alternatively, they could be given slightly modified slings, with range 35, dam [str-2] and prec 0 to show their mastery of the weapon.

There shouldn't be a slinger-hero. He would be equipped with some magical bow any way, and slings as normal weapons are rarely considered as dangerous as they were. The lead glandes shot from slings had to be extracted from the bodies of soldiers they had struck, and that can't be good...

[Agrajag]

I say Israelite to differentiate them from Israelis of today, I really don't know what the proper way of saying it is.
As for slingers and bowmen, I don't remember* any refernce to bows in the bible, nor slings (except for David and Goliath), but if you say they were a part of the ancient military, then I believe you.
Left Handed slings would be really cool, because I'm left handed
There shouldn't be a slinger hero? According to what you said, a slinger hero makes sense. We could even have David as a leader with powerful sling abilities.

Other hero ideas:
Cain Clone: If it was possible, making Cain Immortal and giving him the Blood Vengance effect would be really cool, this would simulate the Mark of Cain that ensures that he will: a) Forever roam the land b) Anyone who strikes him will be punished seven folds.
Elyahu/Elijah Clone: Uber prophet hero. This guy was a serious miracle worker, he even revived a dying child (Awwwww!)
Moses Clone: Another uber miracle worker, this guy can take credit (although obviously the credit goes to god) for a rain of frogs, turning water into blod, lice, complete darkness, a hail made from huge burning rocks of ice, etc.
Solomon Clone: Very wise, should be able to decrease chance of bad events happening.
Samson Clone: Uber strength.

*-I have a pretty lousy memory

[WraithLord]

Agrajag said:
No spears?
As far as I know from bible lessons, spears were used (IIRC the Akravaim from "Avi yser etchem beshotim veani ayaser etchem beakravim" were spearlike)

Not sure about that, slings, bows, staffs and maybe short swords as far as I recall.

Agrajag said:
And Ya'akov grabbed the ankle of Esav when they exited their mother's womb.

right of course, glad I have already done "tanach bagrut"

Agrajag said:
As for the tribes, in the bible the different tribes didn't have much of a different identity to emphasize in the game, so I don't see how you can add them (except for maybe the Levi).
Maybe they are mentioned in other sources, but I wouldn't know about that.

Makes sense, I was just throwing this as an idea.

Agrajag said:
And cavalry is an option, IIRC king David had many horses at his disposal. (Though I agree cavalry should be weak, if at all existing, since in most of he stories the Israelites had very little cavalry/horses, and Israel does not have any natural population of horses AFAIK)

Maybe weak cavalry, I'm not sure it adds much in terms of thematic value.