[OT] - Tour de France 2006

Caduceus · #1 June 30th, 2006, 04:15 PM

I don't believe that the cycling commission in France is taking this lightly. I believe that they have enough hard evidence to remove the riders in question. That's what makes it more disappointing.

The mentality from what I have read and heard for pro cyclists is "if I'm not doping, I'll lose to someone who is."

Operation Puerta (or whatever its codename) literally ripped the lid off a bunch of people doing illegal things to win races (and other events).

Fortunately, the American riders, for the moment, have been spared (aside from Hamilton, who has been out of the picture since last year).

Suicide Junkie · #2 June 30th, 2006, 05:52 PM

Not really unaltered...
Even regular training results in significant chemical and certainly physical alterations.

There is also all the equipment, and the clothing and the custom diet...

Even stone age warriors would have had drugs boosting them.

The question is really where do you draw the line, and then why did you allow X or not allow Y.

Atrocities · #3 June 30th, 2006, 06:09 PM

Man talk about a tough break for the sport.

ToddT · #4 June 30th, 2006, 06:55 PM

The type of blood doping Caduceus, mentions, has nothing to do with drugs, while this first time i heard mention of a secndary donor, usuall what happens is the. the athlete at some point prior to the event he's going to use this trick for, has his own blood drawn, and stored. then when the day arrives will have (i think primaryly the red blood cells) has the blood place back into his blood stream, resulting in a boosted oxygen carrying capacity. the only real give away would be his red blood cell count, just prior to the event and for a short period of time after. As far as I know, beyond that there are no residual tell tales. There have been cases in none cycling events where atheletes doing this where caught while the event was going on. (thier performance was noticably above what they were known for).

that said wasn't there another big scandle around 2000? (it was in france)

narf poit chez BOOM · #5 June 30th, 2006, 08:38 PM

Sportsmanship is dying.

Dizzy · #6 June 30th, 2006, 09:54 PM

Yeah, let em dope it up. Call it the tour de dope.

We all pretty much know the limits to which the human body can achieve 'unaltered'. But how far can it go if modified? I think that'd be real interesting. We could see all sorts of drug sponsors and how their drug would be better than another teams drug. Oh that'd be great to watch. Imagine the ratings...

Seriously, let em dope... Make it all public. Lets see how far the body can go b4 it breaks. Let's create super athletes. Lets use dna resequencing, chromosome altering, growth hormones in every area, all that stuff and lets see what kinda monsters we can create. It's high time to take human form to the next level... Hell, throw in some cybernetics too.

Caduceus · #7 June 30th, 2006, 10:36 PM

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ToddT said:
the athlete at some point prior to the event he's going to use this trick for, has his own blood drawn, and stored. then when the day arrives will have (i think primaryly the red blood cells) has the blood place back into his blood stream, resulting in a boosted oxygen carrying capacity. the only real give away would be his red blood cell count, just prior to the event and for a short period of time after.

This is called autologous blood doping.

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that said wasn't there another big scandle around 2000? (it was in france)

1998, a team car was stopped and it was full of various injectible drugs, needles, etc. That was the last huge shakeup.

narf poit chez BOOM · #8 July 1st, 2006, 02:21 AM

I think the difference between an 'Energy drink' and 'Doping up' is the difference between 'A test of human endurance' and 'A test of drugs'.

Kinda like the difference between a stock car, and a stock car with nitro injectors.

ToddT · #9 July 1st, 2006, 02:52 PM

yes the 1998 event was what I was refering to, it created a bit of an up roar in France, if I remember right. I ran across it in a news paper.

Phoenix-D · #10 July 1st, 2006, 04:19 PM

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narf poit chez BOOM said:
I think the difference between an 'Energy drink' and 'Doping up' is the difference between 'A test of human endurance' and 'A test of drugs'.

Kinda like the difference between a stock car, and a stock car with nitro injectors.

Not really. Energy drinks are still drugs, they're just relatively weak ones. Same as using painkillers to ride through an injury that would slow you down otherwise..