HEAT type penetration..

[Marcello]

"5) There is code in there for fuse failures for HEAT. HEAT pen will therefore be more variable than solid shot. Usually book value or lower - there is a very small chance of some overpen"

Fuse failure or some others failure in multicharge weapons I can understand.It is an excellent feature.But when testing ATGMs I have found a surprising high number of overpenetrations beyond the
HEAT penetration + warhead size formula.Improved TOWs should have 80 + 6 as maximum but I found many penetrations well in excess of 90.For curiosity sake is there any real world factor that could make an HEAT warhead perform better than standard?

[Mobhack]

Probably a hit on a weak point - like a turret ring.

but generally with HEAT, you get less than book penetration (fuses get more reliable as time advances).

Cheers
Andy

[pdoktar]

I´ve found that overpentration too. Maybe it a psychological feature of my mind, but pen 100 milan 3s might get even 110 pens regularly. Sometimes smaller however. I don´t like the overpenetration feature, because I think that arms manufactures will put best possible penetration quotas in their brochures. So a missile should penetrate the given number if no weakspot messages.

[Marcello]

I am running a few tens of tests on this issue.
I am using the most up to date free version of the game.
I have purchased a squadron of Jeep mounted TOWs from the Gulf State OOB, unit 204.Then I checked the specs for the missile, an improve TOW.HEAT penetration 80, warhead size 6, as standard.Then I have purchased some of my fictional MBTs (so that I can test their resistance since I am at it).Put them in a small map and disable the tanks weapons.
Then I have advanced my tanks triggering the enemy fire.

So far the average penetration seems in the 88-93 range.
Possibly even a 100 but I am not 100% positive on that one.Then there are occasional 20,30 or so, the warhead malfuctions I take.The actual penetrations in the 80-86 range are few.
I will keep running the tests.Eventually can somebody else try similar tests, to see if maybe there is just something wrong with my game install or something?

EDIT
I am not taking in consideration the weakspot penetrations, the above is for the normal ones.

[Marcello]

Update
I have accumulated what must approximatively be 50-60 penetrations so far.The penetrations in the 80-86 range seems even less frequent than the warhead malfunctions so far.
If you want a more scientifical experiment, with maybe 50-100 (not 1000 of course)tests and the results for each written down, I am willing to do that, although it will take a few days.

[Mobhack]

As I think I said earlier - malfunctions/fuse failures reduce by decade post WW2. So later battles will not show the effect as with earlier.

I will run this through the debugger and check it out.

Andy

[Mobhack]

Ahah - much clearer once I reread the code

Improved TOW, therefore a dual charge and/or top attack ATGM. These get a bonus of 5+Random(Warhead Size) for the improved technology over straight HEAT added to pen.

There is a 5% chance of any HEAT round getting some of the Warhead Size added as over-pen. There is a 17% chance of under pen due to fuse failures etc.

Cheers
Andy