Are we paying more for less?

[Bloodstar2]

Gandalf Parker said:

You do understand that asking that in the Dominions forum makes it likely that most people will not agree with you?

But even in the usenet strategy forums I had the same conversation. The person there also was not able to swing a majority.

I really do understand your viewpoint. As a player viewpoint I think its valid. But trying to sound like a nice guy talking to the publisher on a peer level, I dont really think so. It has a chance for some gains but I still feel it would be a risky thing for Shrapnel to try with this version of Dominions. This is a major release both for Illwinter and for Shrapnel. Gambling with pricing might not be a very responsible thing for them to do right now.

I wish I was better at math to put this in a formula but I now that you are talking about cutting their profits probably more than half (at least). And I know that it would take twice as many new buyers to make up that difference, much less make a gain above that to make it worthwhile.

Well, I knew that you are biased and not very bright, but you tend to be a liar as well.

I didn't wanted to swing a majority on Usenet. I just BTW. bought the game.

But, I reserve my right to say a few words ABOUT THE PRICE.

PRICE IS SET TOO HIGH. PERIOD. All arguments that I have read are in vain.

It is clear fact that Shrapnel was carried away a little bit.

I bought Dominion 2 at 50 US$ and 3 $ postage to Europe. Now is 55 $ and 9.35 US$ postage... great

Now, if someone wants to buy me, a regular customer, go ahead....

But, I will say few words about the price. 55$ is too high price, argument that you will spend 1000 hours playing it blah, you will spend 1000 hours playing Heroes 5 as well. Maybe some argument is there about size of the manual (I still wait for the game to arrive).

Argument that game will sell less and crying how this is niche game is of no interest to us, regular paying customers! Mind you, I deeply believe that this game should be priced at 40 US$-45$ top. 50$ is also too high, and 55$ way too much.

Matrix Games is also inflating their games like TOAW 3 for 40 US$, a almost same game from 2000. AD. and full of bugs (COW is better).

So, I give Shrapnel THUMBS DOWN on setting this game and also to developer also THUMBS DOWN because they should be aware that price is set too high.

You just got BIG reputation down in my eyes. Yes, I bought the game but next time I won't if this greedy politics at Shrapnel will continue.

Thank you for listening.


Mario

[Annette]

Hello Mario,

May I be the first to welcome you to our forums. You certainly do have the right to state your opinion about the price or any other issue regarding the game or our company. You also have the right to disagree with another forum member. You do not, however, have the right to make accusatory statements about another forum member. This is not usenet. This is our company's forums where we expect participants to treat each other with a measure of respect. There is a link at the top of this page called "board rules". I ask that you read it. I am happy to see you here, but I have to ask that you "play nice." It's what we expect of all our members.

As to your post, there are several interesting discussions on various boards about this issue. I think I'd like to hear your impressions once you've received the game and play it a bit to see if your opinion remains the same. And we do thank you for your order and the vote of confidence it portrays. You've been a supporter of our developers in the past, and we're happy to hear your constructive feedback.

[Valandil]

O for a muse of euphemisms, that would ascend the highest peaks of human invetion: a forum for a stage, pretenders as players: can yet this facade obscure the vast human disregard?

[Bloodstar2]

Thank you Annete,

I am sorry for harsh words and I will reply with my view of this situation later. I will be nice and not use any ugly word.

Yes, I have supported Shrapnel in the past and would like that this would be in the future.


Mario

[PhilD]

Bloodstar2 said:

PRICE IS SET TOO HIGH. PERIOD. All arguments that I have read are in vain.

OK, if this is the axiom, then you are most certainly right; it does follow that the price is set too high. Doesn't leave much room for discussion, though.

There are several possible definitions for a price. For a PC game, I'd say that "player entertainment" should be a major factor in deciding what a "right" price should be. I think it's safe to assume that players won't play a PC game much longer than it provides entertainment (or else, something is definitely wrong with them). Thus, the time one spends playing a given game is a reasonable factor in deciding whether the price is "right" (though absolutely not the only one).

If you intend to spend the same amount of time playing Heroes V as Dom3, then weigh them against each other in "entertainment per hour"; if you get more enjoyment per hour with Heroes V, then maybe your best game for this time is Heroes V, and there is nothing wrong with that. I bought it, played each campaign once, and basically lost interest. I don't consider my money badly spent, but if Dom2 is any indication, I expect to get much more playing time out of Dom3 than Heroes V.

[Meglobob]

The price is set too high?

Not if u live in the UK. Over here, a new release at the top end of the price range is 29.99 - 34.99 pounds. Dom 3 cost 34.10 pounds, that included the USPS delivery charge. So at the top end of the bareable market price but not over.

Considering the sheer depth of the game, I have really only scratched the surface of 2 nations yet, its well worth every pound or $.

U r buyin a top quality product with Dom 3, u always have to pay for quality.

[Talleyrand]

I've put in an order for the full game, which says a lot considering my earlier posts on the matter. I played the demo a great deal and enjoyed my time with it. However, I still agree with Mario and my original assessment that the game is not worth 55 dollars. One major reason is the animations in battle are extremely choppy and units seems to warp to and fro. If battles weren't such a central theme in the game, ie you could win through other means, it wouldn't bother me so much. As it stands though, battles are the only way to win and as such I think more time could have been taken in unit animations to make things more fluid.

The music, however, is top notch. I can't stay enough good things about it. The number of unique countries and their individual histories and cultures is also pretty amazing, and kudos to Illwinter for coming up with them. That together with the number of spells and items, plus the knowledge from Dominions 2 that the price would never fall, made me go ahead and put in an order now. Like Mario though I have little respect for Shrapnel games and will never go out of my way to support them as publishers, ever. Domonions 3 and possibly whatever game Illwinter decides they will create next will get my money but nothing else Shrapnel supports will I look at. I helped you guys with your porche payments this month but you're on your own for the next months.

[Kristoffer O]

Hmm, thanks for the positive feedback on Dråm and Illwinters behalf, but I must say that I find your dislike for shrapnel somewhat confusing. You disrespect them for raising the price tag by 5 dollars. The difference in the maual is actually worth more than that. Take my word on it. I wrote the old one (or most of it).

So if you dislike Shrapnel I think it is better if you don't say that in this way on their forums. Be constructive instead. Say that you will not buy games with price tags that high, instead of saying that you won't by from Shrapnel because you think thay suck. The first might make them listen, the other might ban you from their forum. I would not be too fond of you if I was the target in your post.

[DominionsFan]

Personally I still say, that if someone refuse to pay 55$ [which is a ridicolously small amount of money] to buy the best TBS available..it is too bad...for HIM!

[Valandil]

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