OT: A Nuclear North Korea

[Thermodyne]

Ludd said:
Sorry about that long post, but it does go to show the difference between US and European thinking.

In parts of Europe, the US is the main threat to world peace, not NK or Iran. Sounds bizarre I know, but some recent polls prove it.

We'll need a link to that please.....

[Ludd]

Try this. web page

[Ludd]

Middle east.June. web page

[Ludd]

My American wife says it's time to go to bed. Goodnight all.

[Thermodyne]

Ludd said:
Middle east.June. web page

Did you even read the whole article? Look at who and where they polled.

Then ask yourself this. Who is most likely to set off a nuclear device in say London? The US? Iran? Israel? North Korea? France? Russia? India?

You will get an answer if you ask the question and the answer might very depending on the control demographics of the poll. But that has nothing to do with the truth, which is that none of them are likely to commit such a terrible act.

In the second link they hint at the demographics that were used, and it seems as if the people polled were not a representative group of people based on the story line.

PS: I was going to pass on the source of your second link, but what the heck, why let this guy get away with his form of creative journalism. Just Google search the author and see if you still want to use the second link to support your argument

[Thermodyne]

Ludd said:
Try this. web page

They are polling about stability not peace. And I find it interesting that Iran runs a close second even though it has no where near the ability to project force. Stability includes energy pricing which has risen dramatically since the US invasion, and undoubtedly had some influence on the results. Strange thing here is that it looks like unregulated hedge fund money may be more to blame than the war. One hedge fund takes a mortal wound in the energy futures markets and the others pull out, now oil is falling, even after the first round of production cuts it still fell some more.

[Renegade 13]

No idea who those guys are.

[MasterChiToes]

How can anyone not know Bob & Doug? Go rent Strange Brew, eh?

[Barnacle Bill]

MasterChiToes said:
How can anyone not know Bob & Doug? Go rent Strange Brew, eh?

http://www.amazon.com/Strange-Brew-R.../dp/B00006FDCT

[Atrocities]

Do you think if we offered garanteed incentives to NK if they returned to the 6 party talks that they might do so? The object here would be to save face for all involved.

1. We would buy NK military equipment
2. We would provide humanitarn aid
3. We would give them the parts they needed in trade to fix and maintain their civilian air fleet.
4. We would trade or sell them low tech military gear such as vehicles but no arms.
5. Allow them to open an embassy in the US and recognize them in the UN.
6. Bring them into the world economy.

Some dude just won a Nobel Peace prize for his thoery that if you fight poverty in the world, you improve world peace.

What better way to end the NK problem than to tell KJI that hecan keep his power, his military, and way of life but in doing so we also get to help his people, country, and the region in general.

All he has to do is come to the six party talks and work out a deal. No more nukes and he gets to become a player.

Sure they will lie, but when they do this time, hell just buy the GD nukes from him and tell him that he is bad. ONce he gets a taste of economic success, he won't want to risk loosing it. Look at Lebenon. The ONLY reason that war ended was because they realized that it would hurt lebenon too much to continue it. Hats off to all involved there for ending the fighting.

China would want a strong economic NK because then, like they, the power would shift from might to wealth.