Favorite nations so far?

Frostmourne27 · #1 October 12th, 2006, 10:19 PM

True, and you can play in more fun/odd ways that aren't quite so good - turmoil and luck for example (instead of order). still, even from what I can see from my rather poor perch in the demo, a balance mod, or a lot of patches will be needed to balance things out, especially for multiplayer.

Zen · #2 October 12th, 2006, 10:30 PM

Everyone has their own opinion on balance in games such as these. However, it would be safe to say you should probably see the full game and the full length and breadth of what the game offers. It does have nation shifts, strategy shifts, and that doesn't even include the diplomatic play.

Gandalf Parker · #3 October 13th, 2006, 01:21 AM

Actually you will all be surprised to find out that the most overpowered nation in Dom3 is Oceania. Running multiple games with 79 nations on a fast burn (all AI and hosting continually) tended to show Ermor taking an early lead till about turn 20, then Oceania leads by turn 50. Of course eventually Arcos gains enough magic to make a strong showing and not enough games were run to the final win in order to make any guess at the actual most common winner in huge games.

So Id say Ermor on small maps, and Oceania on medium maps, and Arcos on large maps.

Fate · #4 October 13th, 2006, 01:49 AM

I like Jomon alot, though I found Yomi was a bit hard to play (I will need a bit to figure them out).

I also like MA Agartha because it has been the first nation I succesfully pursued a summoning strat with (from the manual,

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Finally, I am having fun with Pythium's Angel summons.

KissBlade · #5 October 13th, 2006, 02:26 AM

AI is retarded and not a good judge. Also Oceania isn't a LA era. Dreamlands you get uber mages that're recruitable everywhere, offensive dominion and the ability to just cluster your troops in one big block of attack closest to conquer the aters.

DominionsFan · #6 October 13th, 2006, 07:06 AM

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Gandalf Parker said:
Actually you will all be surprised to find out that the most overpowered nation in Dom3 is Oceania. Running multiple games with 79 nations on a fast burn (all AI and hosting continually) tended to show Ermor taking an early lead till about turn 20, then Oceania leads by turn 50. Of course eventually Arcos gains enough magic to make a strong showing and not enough games were run to the final win in order to make any guess at the actual most common winner in huge games.

So Id say Ermor on small maps, and Oceania on medium maps, and Arcos on large maps.

Hm...yesterday we had a chat with Boron about Oceania...we both agreed that Oceania isn't very good actually. Their best mage unit [capricorn] will loose -1 magic skill in all paths on land and their sacred troops's [trident knight] encumbrance is 8. Their regualr troops are pretty average. However the merman is pretty good, because he can throw a net.

Endoperez · #7 October 13th, 2006, 07:40 AM

That was Ai vs Ai vs Ai, with all Ais of all ages smashed together. Oceania did better than Ermor or R'lyeh etc in multiple test runs. Gandalf didn't find out exactly what happened, but the AI works very well with them.

Taqwus · #8 October 13th, 2006, 02:48 PM

Incidentally, regarding insanity, it is possible to drive an enemy pretender seriously insane through the use of Void Spirits. A Jomon Master Lich had an insanity score over 70 through prolonged stay of a single Void Spirit in the Jomon capital.

I don't know whether it was permanent over rebirth ala Curse, 'tho, as his nation completely collapsed shortly after I killed him once, in my dominion.

Nerfix · #9 October 13th, 2006, 03:41 PM

*ahem* it's Void Spectre.

Gandalf Parker · #10 October 13th, 2006, 06:25 PM

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Endoperez said:
That was Ai vs Ai vs Ai, with all Ais of all ages smashed together. Oceania did better than Ermor or R'lyeh etc in multiple test runs. Gandalf didn't find out exactly what happened, but the AI works very well with them.

True. But it appears to be about as good as any judgement until we have enough people proficient at each nation to be able to test it with players. I was surprised by it also. I considered it luck and kept running the tests. Apparently with a single minded AI on all of the nations, thats how it played out so something is there.

Its really not beneficial at this point for someone to say that any nation is a power nation since we all know that the power in Dominions is "player method" + "good nation match" = "power". Someone saying Ermor is powerful at this point might only mean that person plays Ermor better than they do other nations.