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				 About the apparent lack of stock empires... 
 In SE4 there were stock empires, I can't seem to find any in se5 though. I Read that I can quickstart with each of the races, then save that as a default empire, but my question is does SE5 always spawn the same empire in a quickstart, or is it the same empire for each race(like if I keep picking terrans will they be the same terrans)?
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				October 21st, 2006, 01:20 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: About the apparent lack of stock empires... 
 What is unofficial about the races in the game already? |  
	
		
	
	
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				October 21st, 2006, 01:47 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: About the apparent lack of stock empires... 
 You can only pick them in quick games.The Empires are not available in the new game options. |  
	
		
	
	
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				October 21st, 2006, 02:44 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: About the apparent lack of stock empires... 
 Yep, weird. Sounds like a bug to me. Either a bug, or someone was rushing. |  
	
		
	
	
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				October 21st, 2006, 03:06 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: About the apparent lack of stock empires... 
 Designing your empire builds character!  
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				October 21st, 2006, 03:07 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: About the apparent lack of stock empires... 
 The quickstart races seem to be the same each time they are selected.  If you save the empire and and load it for a new game though, there is a bug in which you get lots of extra research points. |  
	
		
	
	
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				 Re: About the apparent lack of stock empires... 
 The 14 main races always use the same traits and stuff as defined in their setup files.  Only neutrals have randomally generated attributes etc. |  
	
		
	
	
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				October 21st, 2006, 05:26 PM
			
			
			
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		| Captain Kwok said: The 14 main races always use the same traits and stuff as defined in their setup files.  Only neutrals have randomally generated attributes etc.
 
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				 Re: About the apparent lack of stock empires... 
 Ragnarok-X said:Yep, weird. Sounds like a bug to me. Either a bug, or someone was rushing.
 
 Definitely not a bug; there just aren't any default .emp files included with the game. Any .emp file you make can be selected normally.
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		| Suicide Junkie said: Designing your empire builds character!
   
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And it's going to confuse and frustrate anyone who is playing SE or 4x for the first time. Did someone actually make a conscious decision to not include any default human player empires? And not provide a walkthru creating your first empire in the manual, or a tutorial? Or was it just over looked? |  
	
		
	
	
	
	
	
	
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