Cold War 2020 mod: first release!

[Siddhi]

hi plasmakrab, posting instead of pm'ing it as i would like to welcome other comments if applicable.

do you plan to remodel rifles as well? this is of course an infamous discussion to date, however i consider it essential as platoon to&e have been constructed around the capabilities of the individual rifle-men and thus their rifle - countries with "bullpup" rifles tend to e.g. have a sniper somewhere in the platoon, assigned or organic, to make up for the range shortfall, or alternativly have invested in MGs rather then SAWs.

i have no idea to what extent this is possible to mod in SPMBT, but IMO the critical tactical combat parameters for a rifle can be condensed to different range groups, and would very widely - a none-scoped "bullpup" rifle e.g. would have a higher short-range (<50m) and lower long-range (>200m) value then say the M16A1. alternatively, the OPPOSITE is true for "long" rifles, especially 7.62mm ones, thus the from my view "traditional" SPMBT approach "all rifles improve accuracy at a set rate with decling range" (i could be wrong) needs to be evaluated - if this is possible. do have an interest in going in this direction with your mod?

[pdoktar]

One question. How come bullpup rifles should be more inaccurate only by their design of being bullpup? Ergonomics or what? I´ve never shot a bullpup rifle and I´ve heard that at some situations bullpup-style design tends to present the shooter as a bigger target due to the ergonomics.

However, given that bullpup-design makes room for longer barrels and hence higher velocities for a given size, I see no point in making it less accurate. Enlighten me.

[PlasmaKrab]

Pleeease guys, don't start dragging me into this sterile debate!

First thing to remember is that (with similar experience levels) the rifle accuracy amounts to nearly nothing in the hit probability.
This being said, I have indeed expanded the accuracy rating of small arms, roughly from 1 to 6 (most assault rifles being between 3 and 4). But what's about bullpup in this? I've given better accuracy to a G-36 than to an AK-47, but to a Lee-Enfield .303 as well. Same way, an L-85 gets higher accuracy than a FAMAS, bullpup as well.
The rating I have given is basically guesswork, but the objective criteria are barrel length, recoil (and buffering thereof), ergonomics and vision devices. Bullpup designs tend to get higher values because they are more recent and technologically more advanced all around.

Now what about starting another thread on this subject if you want to?

[Siddhi]

sorry PK, can see your logic...
thanks for the info - question answered

[Jan]

the following is only about real life since i'm not seasonned enough to talk about in game effects of bullpup vs traditionnal design.

the bullpups main advantage is their compactness, very appreciable in the everyday life (mostly in vehicles) but also is some specific combat situation like FIBUA (Fight in Builded Up Area) and CQB (Close Quarter Battle).

In such situation the maniability and bulkiness, are important parameters and can give you an appreciable advantage. Note that i'm not saying that it can give you a hughe adavnatage like a corner shot weapon could give you but it make your life more confortable, at least not more harder.

For exemple, you can focus on another thing than the length of your weapon (in close combat situation and certainly in FIBUA, we are wroking systematically with the bayonet fitted) wich won't make you easier to spot by the ennemy.


Now about pure precision shooting, i would tend to say that traditionnal rifles are better suited for shoot over 300m since they are more well balanced.

One thing to know about sighting devices like on the Steyr Aug 77 and on the L-85 is that they make your job a bit easier in open field but are a real handicap in close combat (because of their "tunnel effect" on your SA) and make shooting on transversal mobile target (an ennemy that is running at 200m from your left to your right for exemple) harder than with iron sights.

Now, all in all, i'm convinced that a trained soldier with a specific weapon system won't be less effective than another trained with another weapon system ( given that the caliber is teh same for both) becaus ethey coth know how to exploit the advantage and how to manage the weakness of their tools.

cheers,

Jan

[Marek_Tucan]

Since you did mention the scope, what about the G36 system? Red Dot Sight for short ranges and scope in one neat package?

[Suhiir]

I've been looking at the accuracy issue (mostly with small arms) myself and trying not to deviate too far from the default values. But I am very curious about the 6 value assigned to the M8 and M29 weapons, a rather dramatic increase from the 1 given all other rifles.
Anyone know why there's such a dramatic increase for these particular weapons?

As to precision shooting I've fired M14's, AR15's, M16A1's, M16A2's, BAR (once), G3's, L1A1's, AK47's, SA80's, and Steyr AUG's.
And IMHO the configuration of the weapon is a non issue. Some weapons have better inherent accuracy then others (say an M14 vs an AK47) but far more important is the skill of the shooter.