Radiance – Random Nations, Middle Era (Turn 100!!)

[Manuk]

I have no problem if you want to say anything about me. But at the start you were struggling hard for expansion and I could attack you at anytime then, peace was good for you then.
Attacking Machaka on his back is of vultures. you have no other war so this war will be fair.

[Baalz]

Hey man, I just think it's crappy to sign a NAP then break your word. It's not a matter of attacking me at an inconvenient time, its a matter of going back on your word...what's the point of signing the treaty? Had I realized you were not a man of your word and I needed to defend my border with you I would have deployed my troops differently. You took advantage of the fact that I trusted what you promised - that I would have a few turns to prepare for an attack from you.

[Dedas]

Isn't that an excellent reason to break a treaty? You kinda answered your own question there. =

[FrankTrollman]

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[Velusion]

Usually in most of these sorts of games I play you have to backstab someone at one at some point... though IMHO I would only risk it to completely clinch a victory or as a desperate move because you are about to be eliminated.

You have to take into account the other player might hold a grudge and retaliate unreasonably and your reputation will get soiled if you do it for anything other than to finish off the game.

Of course if Manuk goes on to win the game and avoids being "marked" in future games he probably made the right move... IMHO that is.

[FrankTrollman]

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[StrictlyRockers]

Or you could just be a man about it and admit that the reason Atlantis, Agartha, et al, are carving up Ermor like an apple pie right now is because you played poorly.

There is no rule in the rule book against breaking a treaty. You got pwned, dude.

I'm not saying that what you say above isn't true. It mostly is. But a master wargamer does not whine about his fate, even when he gets back-stabbed. There is certainly no need for you to become the neighborhood finger-ponter/tattle-teller about it. Reputations will become known over time whether or not you put in extra effort.

Take it as a sign of respect, Frank. They do you like that because they know they have to. Chalk it up in the loss column and move on.

We all play by the same rule book. It's all there in black and white. Drawing attention to one's losses is not necessarily the most glorious method of promoting one's reputation.

[WraithLord]

FrankTrollman said:
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By reminding other people of Meglobob's past betrayals, I personally make betraying me a worse apparent deal. This means that the cost of betraying me is apparently higher than if I just let it go. This in turn makes my current allies more likely to continue a war with Ermor even after my army got the big smack down from the Lord of Rebirth.
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That's true in general, but as for myself, I like to play it straight so I tend to keep to my word.
Besides, I'm still looking to get *my* big smack from Ermor

[Velusion]

FrankTrollman said:

Like Meglobob did in another game....

Hmmm... I suddenly feel a bit better about my choice of the nation I went to war with last turn.. hehe...

[Meglobob]

Velusion said:

Hmmm... I suddenly feel a bit better about my choice of the nation I went to war with last turn.. hehe...

Anyone actually interested in the truth read the middle-way thread. Franks just a bad loser, I did NOT BREAK ANY PACT with him. Frank hates losing, no doubt he will spit his dummy out again at some future point when he is losing again or someone gets the better of him. He has already done it in several MP game threads.

I think its better if you simply accuse the nation of being a backstabber NOT a player. Otherwise you risk the thread being closed by forum moderators should it get out of hand. Remember people this is a GAME, not an excuse for personal attacks on people.