Glamour post 3.08

Saint_Dude · #1 June 26th, 2007, 09:19 PM

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Shovah32 said:
in the nuance game its currently turn 10 and im already sitting on the bandar log capitol, having conquered all their other provinces with my legionaires supported by a couple of blessed shadow vestals(who did very little of the work).

As the bandar player in nuance, it sure looked as though there were more than a couple of blessed shadow vestals involved in the attack (39 to be exact - 32 in the battle at the bandar capital).

But Shovah32's point is a good one. Many nations are capable of putting together a brutal blitz with blessed troops, not just the vans.

Jazzepi · #2 June 26th, 2007, 09:22 PM

I'm pretty sure you can build priests to banish shadow vestals as they're undead (correct me if I'm wrong). Since every one of Argatha's casters are priests, I think that's a pretty simple counter. Most everyone has access to priests in their capital.

This is so unlike, say, Vans.

Jazzepi

Saint_Dude · #3 June 27th, 2007, 12:26 AM

Shadow vestals with a f9/s9 bless. Twist of fate and MR 19? Good luck with the banishment. Bandar log has access to level 1 priests. ooh . . . I am sure those vestals were shaking in their boots.

Shadow vestals are also a lot cheaper than van (in terms of both gold and resources) so there are a lot more to fight.

The counter for vestals with a bless like this is the same as for the vans - area effect magic. If you try to get by with priests, chaff, massed archers, and the like, you are going to have disappointing results.

In short they are every bit as likely to steamroll MA Agartha as Vanheim is. At least early on. Of course that isn't saying much, as most nations have an easy time picking on MA Agartha in the early game.

Jazzepi · #4 June 27th, 2007, 12:35 AM

Level 1 priests are just as effective as level 5 priests at spamming banishment.

Jazzepi

sum1lost · #5 June 27th, 2007, 01:22 AM

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Jazzepi said:
Level 1 priests are just as effective as level 5 priests at spamming banishment.

Jazzepi

But are less effective against a high mr, since magic levels impact penetration, if I remember correctly.

horay 4 listening.

Jazzepi · #6 June 27th, 2007, 01:35 AM

That, I did not know. I read on here that the banishment was exactly the same.

Jazzepi

vfb · #7 June 27th, 2007, 02:15 AM

Not only that, Banishment is AoE 2+(2* H level), Dam 3+(2* H level). According to the spell spreadsheet, not the manual, it's even range 15 + (5* H level).

H1: AoE 4, Dam 5, range 20
H2: AoE 6, Dam 7, range 25
H3: AoE 8, Dam 9, MR-1, range 30
H4: AoE 10, Dam 11, MR-1, range 35
H5: AoE 12, Dam 13, MR-2, range 40

(Extra bonus points if you go to the all effort of making an H5 priest just to cast banishment

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tibbs · #8 June 27th, 2007, 11:42 AM

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Saint_Dude said:
Shadow vestals with a f9/s9 bless. Twist of fate and MR 19? Good luck with the banishment. Bandar log has access to level 1 priests. ooh . . . I am sure those vestals were shaking in their boots.

Shadow vestals are also a lot cheaper than van (in terms of both gold and resources) so there are a lot more to fight.

The counter for vestals with a bless like this is the same as for the vans - area effect magic. If you try to get by with priests, chaff, massed archers, and the like, you are going to have disappointing results.

In short they are every bit as likely to steamroll MA Agartha as Vanheim is. At least early on. Of course that isn't saying much, as most nations have an easy time picking on MA Agartha in the early game.

I am playing MA Argatha in your game and I believe you need a strong, Awake SC pretender if you intend to have a chance to stop the early rush when playing as one of the nations with a weak start. Also having good diplomacy and being aware of your neighbors and the surroundings can make a big difference.