C'Tis - Miasma, Question about cold blodded

Tuidjy · #1 July 30th, 2007, 12:34 AM

As of at most two few patches ago, undead pretenders did get diseased by the
miasma. If this has changed, it's a very welcome fix.

In my most advanced game right now, the only thing that keeps my grubby little
fingers off C'tis's capital is the bloody miasma. Still, I love the idea!
I just wish there were more pretenders to choose from when you have MA C'tis.

Jazzepi · #2 July 30th, 2007, 12:45 AM

I tested it again just to make sure. Took it out into late of the 5th year, which is way past 50 turns, and never saw any disease on my undead lich pretender.

Jazzepi

Shovah32 · #3 July 30th, 2007, 12:47 AM

Undead can get diseased but they dont lose health from it.

Tuidjy · #4 July 30th, 2007, 01:45 AM

The (master) lich is the wrong test case, because he is immortal, and
can heal afflictions. I tested it with a low death magic ghost king,
and sure enough, he was diseased on turn 4.

On the other hand, he is not getting afflictions or losing hit points,
so it's not the end of the world.

llamabeast · #5 July 30th, 2007, 09:23 AM

Yeah, disease has no effect on undead, so it's not really a bug. You can imagine that his dead flesh is infected - but he doesn't care!

Xietor · #6 July 30th, 2007, 10:25 AM

It is annoying to see afflictions on all of your undead and have to verify it is just disease. I think it would be an improvement to eliminate the meaningless hearts the undead get that requires more micromanaging.

llamabeast · #7 July 30th, 2007, 10:36 AM

Actually that's a good point, I agree.

BigDisAwesome · #8 July 30th, 2007, 11:02 AM

That is a really good idea. It's so simple but makes so much sense. I feel dumb for not thinking of it myself.

Chris_Byler · #9 July 30th, 2007, 11:19 AM

The progress page states that diseased has a new icon. Presumably this will make it easier to ignore on beings it doesn't affect (demons are also unaffected, as are lifeless beings).

So good MA C'tis pretenders include:
Anything coldblooded or with swamp survival won't get diseased. Wyrm, Father of Serpents, Lord of the Summer Plague, Mother of Serpents, Mother of Monsters, Green Dragon, Serpent King.
Anything undead, lifeless or demonic won't be affected by being diseased. Oracle, Sphinx, Fountain of Blood, Monolith, Prince of Death, Master Lich, Lich, Saurolich, Ghost King, Vampire Queen.
Anything immortal or recuperating will probably recover from the disease before it kills them, and eventually recover from any ailments it gives them. They may be inconvenienced for a while though. Phoenix is the only non-undead immortal available to MA C'tis.

That seems to me like it's actually quite a lot of pretenders (although obviously not all of them). Lord of the Gates, male Titan, Shedu, Mother of Rivers, Manticore, Cyclops, Red and Blue Dragons and most of the humanoids are vulnerable to Miasma and should probably not be chosen.

It might not hurt to give swamp survival to the Mother of Rivers, and maybe throw in a few more usable pretenders for MA C'tis (Moloch and Colossal Fetish would both be immune to Miasma and rather different from the currently available choices, for example), but they do have a pretty decent selection as is.