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		Does the affect from damage shields like fireshield occur before or after the attack? 
 
 
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				Re: Damage shields (Fire Shield etc)
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		Good question.  As far as I know, petrification is the only damage shield that occurs before the hit roll -- this is fairly clear because it can kill an attacker who doesn't even make a hit roll (fails his MR check against Awe, so no swing -- but has to make an MR check against petrification anyway -- fails, boom ~999 damage). 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		I have another question: if the damage shield comes from a shield item (eg Charcoal Shield), does the defender have to block an attack with the shield to trigger its effect?  What about reverse effects that don't duplicate a spell, like eye shield, vine shield, etc.? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		Nope. and nope. No block needed. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		Does the charcoal shield work underwater? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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Does the charcoal shield work underwater?  
			
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 AFAIK, yes. I remember using a basalt king with one in an EA Atlantis game.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		They sure do. 
 
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They sure do. 
 
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 So do all item that cause an effect work UW?
 
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