Kugelblitz and Company.

[oragus]

That is a King Tiger hull. But it gives a good view of the top of the turret. I am curious how they got that turret on the Panther hull, considering the King Tiger hull has a much larger turret ring? Don't really matter though....lol

Thanks for the pic Mark

[RecruitMonty]

Super Coelian would be better off on a Kingtiger (Panther II) chasis, don't you think?

[oragus]

King Tiger, no....tooo slow for an AA vehicle. Panther II, probably, but its turret ring would be too small also.. From what I have read on the Panther II, it was not designed to carry an 88mm. It was to carry the 75L100 gun. The Panther II would have been faster than the King Tiger but slower than the Panther because of the added weight from the armor they added to it. Supposedly the Panther II was larger, but by looks of the hull at the Patton Armor museum, by naked eye it don't seem like it. I haven't actually seen any of the specs on the hull any where, any one have those? Or detailed drawings maybe...hint...hint...Mark..?

[RecruitMonty]

Panther II or Panther F? I always thought the Panther II was bigger.

[oragus]

Panther II. The Panther F was basically a Panther G Late model with the new turret. The Panther II was a "redesigned" hull with extra armor. I have seen the Panther II hull at the Patton Armor Museum first hand and it don't look any bigger, but every thing I have read says its bigger. Hence the request for anyone on here that might have dug up some specs for it, would be appreciated. It was Germany's attempt at actually having some cross plateform commonalities. The King Tiger and Panther II were to share as many parts as possible. Mainly the suppension was used from the King Tiger and other internal parts.

[RecruitMonty]

I just went and stuck a Panther two turret on a Kingtiger chasis. matched them up and away they went. It works quite well. Not very imaginative I know but, what the hey.

Auf Deutsch:

Bewaffnung/Armament: 7,5 cm Kw.K. (L/70) oder 88 mm KwK 43 L/71 1 - 7,92 mm M.G. 42, 1 - 7,92 mm M.G. 34
Panzerung/Armour: 100 mm vorne, 60 mm seitlich, 40 mm hinten
Gewicht/Weight: 53 Tonnen
Motor/Power Plant: Maybach HL230 (Drosselleistung 600 PS, konstruktiv 700 PS)
Geschwindigkeit/Speed: 46 km/h
Besatzung/Crew compliment: 5 Mann
Baujahr/Year of Construction: 1943

"Die Panzerung sollte auf eine 100 mm (120 mm) starke Frontalpanzerung (frontlarmour at 100-120mm) und eine 60 mm-Seitenpanzerung erhöht werden (60mm side armour); auch sah man eine Überarbeitung des Chassis vor. Parallel mit der 1943 begonnenen Entwicklung des Tigers II wurde mit der Planung des Panther II angefangen (Tiger II and Panther II begun at same time). Auch hier sollten die Komponenten wie Lenkgetriebe (steering gears), Vorgelege (transmission), Laufrollen (Cam rollers/runners etc), Aufhängung (suspension) und Antrieb (drive train) untereinander austauschbar sein (used by both models), um Ersatzteilproduktion und Reparatur zu vereinfachen. Das Gesamtgewicht stieg durch die zahlreichen Modifikationen auf über 50 Tonnen (weight increase due to modifications up to and over 50 tonnes)."

Source: Wikipedia.de

[oragus]

I can't speak or read German Monty, a little help with a translation would be appreciated.

Well, I can tell you this, there is a King Tiger right in front of the Panther II hull at the Patton Armor Museum and they are not the same or even remotely close to the same, other than the road wheels are the same. The Panther II hull looks extremely similar to the late Panther G model hull. I didn't get a look at the back deck though to see if there were differences there. . But everything from the ground level looks the same. So if you are going for something accurate, mounting a Panther II turret to a King Tiger hull is not accurate.