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November 6th, 2007, 06:56 PM
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Re: Why Kailasa, Bandar Log, and Patala NEVER WIN
Bob. As others have pointed out the thread in the MP forum doesn't provide the sort of evidence you are ascribing to it. There aren't enough games counted in it to even award 1 victory to each specific nation. So even if all nations had been played by equally skilled players and were exactly balanced there would still be a pretty good chance that any specific nation would have ended up without any wins.
Not that Patala et all might not have very weak PD, or even be weak nations. But in no way do you have support for the claim that they can never win in MP games.
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November 6th, 2007, 07:01 PM
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Re: Why Kailasa, Bandar Log, and Patala NEVER WIN
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Bob. As others have pointed out the thread in the MP forum doesn't provide the sort of evidence you are ascribing to it. There aren't enough games counted in it to even award 1 victory to each specific nation. So even if all nations had been played by equally skilled players and were exactly balanced there would still be a pretty good chance that any specific nation would have ended up without any wins.
Not that Patala et all might not have very weak PD, or even be weak nations. But in no way do you have support for the claim that they can never win in MP games.
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For improving the depth of gameplay an upgrade feature for province defence should be added to the DOM_4 list.
Explanation with story:
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...68&#Post562268
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November 6th, 2007, 07:05 PM
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Re: Why Kailasa, Bandar Log, and Patala NEVER WIN
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Sure. I'll take MA Ulm versus Bandar Log One VS. One.
Let's do that.
Do I have to win in 20 turns? Are we putting some sort of time limit on it to make it sporting?
Do you even know what you just said?
We'll be in mortal combat a long time before the powerfull combat magic gets out. And my arrow immune soldiers will run over Bandar easily.
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I know what I said. You think I would fight fair in such a setup ? You would obviously have to deal with huge amounts of elephants early on, not archers.
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November 6th, 2007, 08:28 PM
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Re: Why Kailasa, Bandar Log, and Patala NEVER WIN
Which is why my pretender will be large and have a fear effect.
Since I can design my pretender specifically to trash your only way of fighting back, elephants, not so much a problem. However, your elephants could cower behind your dominion.... that would make it a little harder.
Oh wait, double blessed white ones. Did you know a pretender with fire can cast resist fire and be immune to the AP damage of fire blessed weapons?
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November 6th, 2007, 08:53 PM
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Re: Why Kailasa, Bandar Log, and Patala NEVER WIN
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Which is why my pretender will be large and have a fear effect.
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If you take dom 10 you even get +2 Awe and will be completely immune to elephants.
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Since I can design my pretender specifically to trash your only way of fighting back, elephants, not so much a problem. However, your elephants could cower behind your dominion.... that would make it a little harder.
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the Bandar player could just mix his elephants with high morale troops, and they would not rout.
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Oh wait, double blessed white ones. Did you know a pretender with fire can cast resist fire and be immune to the AP damage of fire blessed weapons?
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With Bandar Log you can also go for S9W9 or other blesses, you have no need to take fire.
and btw. even when your pretender cant be killed, he will autorout when the white ones with dual bless would have killed your PD.
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November 6th, 2007, 09:03 PM
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Re: Why Kailasa, Bandar Log, and Patala NEVER WIN
Don't you think it's a nice and interesting thing that the nations vary so much in many different ways, including the strength of their PD?
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November 6th, 2007, 09:31 PM
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Re: Why Kailasa, Bandar Log, and Patala NEVER WIN
Not making any specific comments to this topic.. I find it simultaneously nice that the different races are different... the game does not have balance by making every race identical. I do sometimes feel like I wish it had more balance though.
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November 6th, 2007, 11:14 PM
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Re: Why Kailasa, Bandar Log, and Patala NEVER WIN
Ulm would like to introduce your Elephants to his little friend, Mr. Flail. Really, Bandar Log troops are poor, Ulm troops are strong, and elephants don't make up the difference.
One on one, there won't be a mid-game for MA Ulm to lose miserably.
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November 6th, 2007, 11:21 PM
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Re: Why Kailasa, Bandar Log, and Patala NEVER WIN
Please, just play out this game already. I'm tired of hearing about the imaginary war, I want to hear the results of the real war. Or, you know, the real imaginary war. 
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November 6th, 2007, 07:05 PM
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Re: Why Kailasa, Bandar Log, and Patala NEVER WIN
lol NT Jedi wants improved province defense as an option. Or at least thats what Ive gathered from every single post hes made in this topic so far. It'd be an interesting option depending exactly how it was implemented.
Lord Bob:
As Ulm, you will roll right over any enemy province only protected by PD. But ESPECIALLY in a one on one situation,
you are going to have trouble getting past any chokepoints the enemy has. Depending on the map, this will either be easier or harder to do.
But you still might lose the game, because your not the only one who will be attacking.
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