Why Kailasa, Bandar Log, and Patala NEVER WIN

DrPraetorious · #1 November 7th, 2007, 04:24 PM

In general, I think raiding is annoying, and that PD should be better. This is especially true for monkeys and giants.

There are a few game-balance points to consider, however:
* There are a few spells that are *only* useful for raiding, and call of the winds is *supposed* to be used for raiding. Making PD better makes these spells worse, and they are not hugeley competitive at present.

* There are several nations that depend on raiding to be competitive at certain stages of the game. Caelum, obviously, and the now-nerfed *heims.

So if I make a stronger/balanced PD mod, it should also compensate for those changes (cue: swallowed a cat, to catch the fly....)

K · #2 November 7th, 2007, 06:18 PM

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DrPraetorious said:
In general, I think raiding is annoying, and that PD should be better. This is especially true for monkeys and giants.

There are a few game-balance points to consider, however:
* There are a few spells that are *only* useful for raiding, and call of the winds is *supposed* to be used for raiding. Making PD better makes these spells worse, and they are not hugeley competitive at present.

One point of monkey PD is already enough to beat off a Call of Winds . (Had this happen in Perpetuality, where my 5 gold investment beat off five provinces worth of CoW castings).

llamabeast · #3 November 7th, 2007, 07:06 PM

I think several of us have all agreed to fight Lord_Bob. Being as I appear to be coming down with a fever I think I will step down. However, if the others (Shovah32? someone else?) can't play then I will take the reins - this game has to be fought!

Shovah32 · #4 November 7th, 2007, 07:16 PM

Homer and myself have both agreed. I personally feel that Homer would do better than I would, but I want to do this

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Lord_Bob · #5 November 7th, 2007, 09:42 PM

So I don't have to hurt my head calculating time zones, how many hours from now do you want to start? 14-20 hours from the time I posted this is a good range for me.

Valandil · #6 November 7th, 2007, 11:25 PM

Really, I think we should have petitioned QM or the like to play the monkeys.

To clarify the OP's viewpoint, is it that bad PD makes ANY nation too weak, or just an already below-average nation? If we gave, say, Kailasa recruitable devatas, would they still be woefully underpowered?

If yes, then... err...
If no, then the OP argument goes out the window, since clearly balance CAN exist without PD...

quantum_mechani · #7 November 8th, 2007, 12:11 AM

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Valandil said:
Really, I think we should have petitioned QM or the like to play the monkeys.

Actually, I had to restrain myself from volunteering, I really don't have time until the weekend.

Lord_Bob · #8 November 8th, 2007, 02:23 PM

If you gave the Markata stealth that would fix it. Give them a flier, that fixes it. Nations need Anti-Raid power. Stealth troops do it. Fliers do it. PD does it.

Main-line mage backed battle forces should smash any PD flat. But we aren't talking "main-line". We are talking non-castle, and cheap at that.