The Dominions of Khaldun

[Potatoman]

In my mind, the problem sprung directly from how people decided exactly what was allowed in online Kohan and what was not. The engine, while great at doing so many other things, had many unintended quirks that people learned to exploit over the years, and they did. Unfortunately, the same engine quirks that are used mostly for innocuous things (engage/retreat dancing summoners to get more than a single golem per fight, for instance) could (and would) also be used for evil. This made any kind of "exploit" label subjective, because for any new trick a precedent for something similar would already exist.

Pressed dancing with a shadeling is illegal (it was outlawed way, way back), for instance, but engage/retreat dancing with the shadeling (a much more recent discovery) is permissible. The actual game effect of these tricks is identical; only the technique and the micro required is different.

Kohan: Ahriman's Gift is still leagues ahead of any other RTS though. I'll always treasure my copy .

My Kohan alias was Setsuna, by the way.

[CUnknown]

ORZ! We played together some. I was UnknownSuX.

[Tuidjy]

I have played with you guys. I still have a recording of an allied win with
UnknownSuX. :-) I kept it because we managed to almost rotate around the
game map... both teams were winning east and losing west.

But I mostly enjoyed 1x1 or 2x2, and most games used to be 3x3 or even 4x4.

[Niarg]

Played KoW and loved it. I was never so keen on KAG but if we can leave the whole KAG vs KoW away from these forums then I'm up for a game.

I've only got the demo at the moment but hopefully it shouldn't be too long before my full copy arrives. I'll leave picking a race until I know more abouit all the races.

[CUnknown]

Yay, Tuidjy! You know, I think I remember the game you're talking about, vaguely.. What was your name in Kohan? I'm getting the feeling you were one of the good people.

I should probably stop posting in this thread since it is completely off topic.

[Excist]

Woot!

My Dom3 just shipped!

Oh, and I second EVERYTHING that Niarg said..only change 'KAG' to 'KAG people'. KAG wasn't that bad of a game especially for the year it came out.

And I would add the caveat that KOW was broken upon release, but when it truly went gold with 1.2.3 it was a well balanced game with only 2 minor issues which I am tweaking with a community patch.

But, let's leave the details of KAG vs KOW to the thread in the kohan forum labaled KAG and KOW Feud.

http://www.timegate.com/forum/showth...407#post143407

[CUnknown]

I have nothing against KoW, I'm sure it's a fun game. It just didn't appeal to me personally.

I'm just saying it's too bad that Kohan I never truely got a sequal. KoW can't be considered a real successor to Kohan due to the huge differences in gameplay and "feel." It may very well be an excellent game in its own right, but it wasn't made in the same spirit as the original.

Kohan I was revolutionary and "avant-garde" if I can use that expression, heh. Kohan II may have been excellently done, but it lacks these qualities. It is more in line with mainstream RTSs like Warcraft.

Excist, by "KAG people" if you mean the KAG community as a whole, I agree with you. I always found it to be poisonous, even hostile, at times. Especially with regards to newbies (they were pretty much shunned) and people who didn't do things the way everyone else did them (like me). For such a revolutionary game, the people who played it were incredibly dogmatic and unaccepting of new things/ideas/people.

They pretty much didn't accept you unless you were a "vet".. I was never really accepted as a "vet" even though I started in the early KIS days and played on and off until after KoW came out (sometimes mostly off, I admit). At my best I thought I was pretty decent, although at my worst I'm sure I was horrible. Anyway.

Sorry to hijack this thread! (waits to be told not to post anymore)