What Would be an Ideal Pretender for Niefelheim?

[Jazzepi]

DrPraetorious said:
Earth 9 vs Earth 8 is *4* points of protection.

N9 vs N8 is more questionable, since it provides berserk, and since it costs a lot more (given your chassis is a Cyclops.)

It's true that Niefelheim is vulnerable to raiding; but this is true regardless of build. The best way to deal with raiders is to send out single Niefel *jarls*. They only cost money so the key is to cultivate a philosophical attitude about their death.

Um, you get the +4 protection from E8 and E9. The only thing you get from E9 is one extra point of reinvigoration. I don't think it's worth it to spend all those points to buy a free single point of reinvig for all your jarls when you already have +4. This is why I argue that it's worthless to spend those extra points on it.

I've always question your need to go to N9. I know you just won the sophistry game with that build, but N9 is very expensive. I'd personally rather just go up to N6 for 10% regen or N8 for 15%. I personally don't even like the beserk as it lowers the defense on your jarls.

When I played EA Neiflhem I went W8E8N6 with a crone. Or maybe it was nature 4 I can't remember. But I was very happy with that build. The quickness, armor, reinvig, and regen were all great. You have relatively small armies of high morale bless soliders, and a bunch of raiding giants.

Correction. This is vaguely like the build I used for the EA game I won with Neiflhem. I can't remember exactly what the scales were, but this leaves you with like 3-4 points leftover.

5 Dom
3 Order
1 Sloth
3 Cold
1 Death
3 Misfortune
2 Drain

imprisoned crone
W8E8N4
+4 defense, quickness, +4 reinvig, +4 protection, +5% regen



Jazzepi

[PyroStock]

Jazzepi said:
Um, you get the +4 protection from E8 and E9. The only thing you get from E9 is one extra point of reinvigoration.

My v3.10 shows all major blesses at *9:

E8 = Reinvigor+4
E9 = Reinvigor+4; Protection+4(major bless)
E10= Reinvigor+5; Protection+4(major bless)

Edit: which matches the list in the FAQ.

[Jazzepi]

Bleh D: I'm sorry. Replace every time I said 8 anything with 9. I was getting the split between 10 and 9 confused.

Jazzepi

[DrPraetorious]

Anyway, here's another build to try, if you love hatred:
Awake, Domstr 9, E9, Cyclops, Order 3, Sloth 1, Cold 3, Growth 2, Misfortune 3, Drain 2.

Your expansion is *insane*.

[HoneyBadger]

I like to use a Cyclops with Earth, Water, and Nature 9-10, but it's only ideal for SP games, or when you *really* want a challenge. Not at all easy to play, but a lot of fun.

[Aezeal]

Well with that bless you could take an early rush on 2 nations and might get some advantage... if the whole map doesn't turn against you