sdkfz 10/4

[blitzkreig]

Heights can always be tricky depending on which source you use.

One of my favourite source books is "Standard Catalog of German Military Vehicles" By David Doyle
ISBN 0-87349-783-x prited 2005 by KP books.

It states:

Krupp type L2H143 (Protze)

Height 1.8m

Sd.kfz 10

height 1.62m

Problem is with these figures it is hard to determine whether they include the canopy cover for both vechles being up or down! It would seem sensilbe that the standard Sd.kfz 10 was in fact much lower than the versions mounting flak guns and antitank guns, both of which would raise the vehciles height significantly and its chances of being seen by the enemy!

[DRG]

For those of you who lay awake at night agonizing over details like this ( and I know you're out there...)German OOB Unit 060, ,155, 436 , 480 and 481 will be all size 3 when the next patch is released.

Don

[chuckfourth]

Hi DRG,
then from the british OB, with the dimensions of
Weight 7 t
Length 4.6 m
Width 2.2 m
Height 2.4 m
from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humber_Armoured_Car
The British Humber Armoured cars (units 048, 164, 385, 386, 388) should maybe be size 3 rather than the current 2?
also from Wiki for the british damlier (049, 143, 735) armoured cars,
Weight 7.6 t
Length 4 m
Width 2.46 m
Height 2.26 m
Seems they also might enjoy a size of 3 rather than the current 2?
Also unit 129, 288 "Morris 15cwt" looks like the "bedford MWD" with dimensions of
Length 4.38 m
Width 1.99 m
Height 2.29 m
Maybe this also should change from size 2 to 3?
Also unit 604 "Morris CS9" at
Length 4.77 m
Width 2.05 m
Height 2.13 m
should maybe be size 3
Also the "LRDG Chevy"s (241, 252, 242) with
Length 6.579 m
Width 2.49 m
Height 3.0 m
Maybe should be size 4 rather than 2? also
"Humber Utility" (285) size
Length 4.29 m
Width 1.88 m
Height 1.96 m
Maybe this also should change to size 3?
There is also "Tetrarch" (066 and 734)
Length 4.04 m
Width 2.31 m
Height 2.12 m
might go to 3.
There seems to be any number of light trucks in the OOBs the same size or bigger than protze that have a size of 2.
Happy to look at other OBs and size classes if you think it would be helpful.
I imagine the sdkfz 10s took their canopy covers down in battle zones.
Best Regards Chuck

[DRG]

You have NO idea how tempting it is to say "yes" just to give you something to keep you busy for a week or two.

Given that there are over 12,000 units in winspww2 and give that each basic unit has up to 60 bit's of information that make it up giving us a total up to 720,000 chances for you to find something you don't think is correct I have no doubt you could find fault with hundreds if not thousands of individual details in these OOBs. I also have no doubt were we insane enough to do that in the end the noticeable effect on game play would be nil for all but a very "select" few.

So no, I'm not all that interested unless something is grossly out of line.

Don

[PanzerBob]

Geez Chuck where do you find the time? And DRG thanks for the MOD. [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Balloons.gif[/img]

[PatG]

Any such comprehensive and un-biased review would only serve to confirm that in the game all German units are 1-2 points too large and all Allied units are 1-2 points too small.

[DRG]

Really ??? "All" ???

Tell you what, put up or shut up. Show me how "all" German units are 1-2 points too large and "all" allied units are 1-2 points too small. Oh, I am certain that if you dig hard enough you can find something that may be off in any OOB but "ALL" ?

Sherman's are size 5 and the most numerous of it's opponents the PzIV is size 4 but the Panther is 5 but the Panther is wider so which is the bigger target from the front or from the side ?. The Sherman is rated the same "size" in the game as the Tiger 1. Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that we have rated the Tiger 1-2 points too small ?? Should the Tiger be less than five ?? Remember YOU were the one who said "all German units are 1-2 points too large and all Allied units are 1-2 points too small"

Gimme a break. I am seriously fed up with nonsense like this. If this is your idea of serious comment please leave this forum.

And just who's going to do the "unbiased" review based on WHAT criteria exactly ?

Don