DangerPudding - random nations EA game (finished)

[DrPraetorious]

FWIW, I did not wish for the orb of atlantis. If I were going to wish for an artifact, I'd wish for something good

[Tuidjy]

I just read this thread from beginning to end, and here is the impression I am
left with:

Mists of Deception + Battlefield Enchantment + Retreat is NOT allowed. Battlefield
Enchantment + Retreat is allowed, but ONLY if you retreat on the sixth turn.

Did I get it right?

[LoloMo]

Mists of Deception + Battlefield Enchantment + Retreat on the sixth turn should be allowed, as there is no way to check if the AI retreated the mage or the mage was scripted to retreat.

[lch]

Tuidjy said:
Battlefield Enchantment + Retreat is allowed, but ONLY if you retreat on the sixth turn.

I'd say that this conforms with MP etiquette.

As for Mists of Deception, the heated discussion elsewhere makes it sound like the spell is broken and the only solution is to ban it altogether, but I don't want to ban spells myself.

[LoloMo]

There are only a few of us, and I don't think anyone is at war, so should be easy to come to a consensus. I'll start the ball rolling. Please vote for one of the following.

1. Ban Mists of Deception altogether. No scripting of this spell or use of any artifact that casts this.

2. Ban MoD + any Battlefied Enchantment in combination (MoD can not be used with any kind of BE, whether scripted or from artifact effects or from creature effects).

3. Ban only MoD + any BE + scripted retreat within 5 turns (retreat allowed on 6th turn).

4. No restrictions on MoD.

My vote is for any of the 4 choices, I can work with whatever rule you guys wish to put in place.

[Tuidjy]

The problem is that after two days of testing focused on this, I still have
found no way to effectively counter this spell. Once it's cast, either the
caster will be killed or the enemy will rout - the BE only adds casualties
to the loss of the battle. It's as simple as that.

If this was the beginning of the game, I'd say ban it altogether. But now
it may appear that we would be unfairly hurting the two air nations left:
Fomoria and Tir-Na-Nog. But I also think that everyone else can easily
cast it. After all, I have about 10 air domes up. Do the math.

Anyway - my vote is to ban MoD as broadly as possible.

[DrPraetorious]

I'm reluctant to ban stuff based on hearsay, or at this stage of the game, but I've never actually been hit with the MoD trick (although I think people have tried,) so I'll abstain.

[zlefin]

hmm, i dunno.
while having air options is nice, i don't really need MoD.
the simplest way to avoid issues is to just ban MoD, cuz i know i wanna use wrathful skies.

Alternatively, since we're all at peace, we could just call the game and name ourselves all winners and/or agree to divvy up places based on positioning or something.
like by province count, or we can argue based on other factors.