If I were in charge ...

Cyrien · #1 April 10th, 2002, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by Instar:
"But I do Believe that some Nuclear arsenal should be kept; just for the sake that responsible scientists can actually develop fusion power."
Huh? Just a point, but generally you dont need nuclear weapons to build fusion power.

just check the site www.iter.org for current fusion research. The science has been worked out. Now they are working on building the first test plant. (A project which the US feels isn't worth major investing so after years of being part of ITER they withdrew because $350mil is too much to pay for fusion power apparantly)

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On that point, I would rather have nuclear arms than not. The unholy triad of megadeath weapons is too widespread. Fear of retaliation prevents attack. Biochemical attack must therefore equal nuclear retaliation.

This point can be argued, though I tend to agree with you. By keeping a stockpile of weaps of mass destruction you ensure that other countries won't use them against you because then you would use them against them. On the other hand it also makes it easier for smaller non nation organizations (read terrorists) to get their hands on one or the materials to make one. If a terrorist uses a weap of mass destruction they probably won't leave a return address that can be hit back with another weap of mass destruction. Also what happens if a nation like Iraq (not to focus on Iraq to much or anything) etc... gets a nuke and goes ahead and invades Kuwait or other again and says if you intervene we nuke you?

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As for the armed forces, I would maintain them, if not slightly augment them. SpecFor is good, but they're only good in certain situations. China, for example, has an army of millions (literally), so we need to at least maintain a decent armored, cavalry, infantry, air, and other forces, even though a war with China is not very likely.

US Pop 288 mil
Europe Pop 727 mil (all European Coutries)
Added together = A little over 1 billion

China Pop 1.386 billion Standing Army about 300mil

So... ermm... there is no way here a conventional army could defeat those numbers if the US stood alone. Standing Army larger than whole US population and all. IF you throw in ALL of Europe... then there would be a chance utilizing modern technology that is better than Chinas to offset numerical superiority.

And of course... ask yourself how long the US and modern Europe democracies would be willing to take in the mass of casualties in such a conflict. In short I am saying short of weaps of mass destruction the US + Europe would have slim chances of actually winning a conventional engagement against China. There is no point in even looking at China as a guideline for military size. For China Nukes are the only line of defense. For other forms of conflict we already know that the US and other European power countries have militaries that can in conventional warfare win. Easily. The problem is these countries know that as well. They don't fight conventional warfares against these nations anymore. They do Guerrilla ops etc. How do you counter this? Vietnam and Russias Afgan shows it isn't with massive conventional forces. That just leads to massive conventional losses. The US had the right idea this time around. Support native dissident military forces while using your own specforces to find and lock in targets for modern smart weapons. It isn't perfect. But it is better than having say 100k in losses for your country and then pulling out and really changing nothing.

For future military engagement you have to realize that western democracies Dislike War and HATE wartime casualties. Especially with Mass Media covering it live right into our living rooms. We don't even like the enemies casualties, but that can be tolerated for short periods of time. Conventional forces should be kept in some number but not on the scale of refighting WW2, which is generally what we are looking at. There are only two types of modern wars anymore. All out wars, which will eventually lead to Nukes as one side or another realizes it can't win any other way and both sides realize this so avoid these wars, or specops and guerrilla wars.

That is the thinking behind my military policy of maintaining military arsenal of weaps of mass destruction and reduction of conventional military forces while expanding air and specops forces. Keep in mind I don't want to disband the conventional forces. Sometimes you need them. For the crazies that think they can challenge in conventional warfare like Sadam. But you don't need the massive sizes currently held by the US. Right now it is just a military industrial complex thing for supporting the economy. Gee... I think Nazi Germany used the same thing to support its economy.

Askan Nightbringer · #2 April 10th, 2002, 06:03 PM

You seem to have a stutter there Tigga

Growltigga · #3 April 10th, 2002, 06:04 PM

Oh come on, what's wrong with Earl's Court? I especially like that Walkabout Pub with all that iconic Australian stuff,

Well, you would like Earl's Court as you are Australian - we think it is full of load mouth yobs and brash Aussie girls

Nothing better than a pie floater when your drunk too

Well maybe, but I am never sure if I have eaten it already or are eating it again

the pea soup helps soak up all the alcohol making you less prone to singing outbursts.

and more prone to throwing up violently in the gutter - hmmmm, would I prefer a crowd of drunk Englishmen singing rugby songs or a crowd of drunk antipodeans being ill in the gutter and pretending to be Russell Crowe??

And I can't imagine westies singing to anything, except maybe ACDC

that is a bit harsh isn't it? we always understood Westies to be the cornerstone of your popular culture

What's a Brit doing in Kuta anyhows? Shouldn't you be in Ibiza scoring with some Essex girs?

done that, I was in Kuta hoping that all Australian lasses would look like Ella and/or Kylie - however, on getting to the Sari Club, it was more a case of Madge from Neighbours and Angry Andersen - no wonder so many of you are over here!! - much more fun on Lombok anyhow

[ 10 April 2002: Message edited by: Growltigga ]

Growltigga · #4 April 10th, 2002, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by askan:
You seem to have a stutter there Tigga

no I don't, what stutter??

Askan Nightbringer · #5 April 10th, 2002, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Growltigga:
[QBWhat's a Brit doing in Kuta anyhows? Shouldn't you be in Ibiza scoring with some Essex girs?

done that, I was in Kuta hoping that all Australian lasses would look like Ella and/or Kylie - however, on getting to the Sari Club, it was more a case of Madge from Neighbours and Angry Andersen - no wonder so many of you are over here!![/QB]

We export the ugly ones, sorta like Fosters. Serves yourself right going to the Sari Club anyway, when you should have been at Club 66 speaking to Balinese girls of "negotiable" virtue.

And why's everyone picking on China? Is this some sort of nuclear arms race chest beating that I don't understand coz we don't have the bomb.

Askan
2:15 am, just sobered up and must get to work tomorrow.

dmm · #6 April 10th, 2002, 06:21 PM

Growltigga: Why do you keep quoting Askan and then not saying anything? Please do not post to my topics when drunk!

[edit: oh okay, you fixed it. sorry for the slander.]

[ 10 April 2002: Message edited by: dmm ]

Growltigga · #7 April 10th, 2002, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by askan:

We export the ugly ones, sorta like Fosters. Serves yourself right going to the Sari Club anyway, when you should have been at Club 66 speaking to Balinese girls of "negotiable" virtue.

No you dont, I have been to Sydney, Perth, Melbourne, Adelaide and Brisbane and didn't see any difference - infact, I will stop there just in case you are a girl

Club 66?? I might have gone to the Bounty but I am shocked that would spend your time discussing the commercial negotiability of their virtue with young Balinese girls - are you a lawyer?