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May 17th, 2008, 12:09 PM
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Re: Russian units v4
Strange. On the same site here is not present words about 1975. Look:
http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl? field=8&unit=2376
And here it is written that Has been accepted on arms PRP-3 in 1971 and the batch production has been organised in Rubtsovsk. But this car have developed not in Rubtsovsk, it have developed and have created in Kurganmashzavod (Kurgan Engineering Works) and the batch production has been organised at first there in 1972 and only in 1979 the batch production also has been organised in Rubtsovsk (Rubtsovsk Engineering Works). About it it is written in this source:
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/
Also here still link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BMP_variants
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May 17th, 2008, 02:53 PM
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Re: Russian units v4
121. unit 467 TO-34 speed 18, weight 32 tons
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2-34
122. unit 469 TO-54 in arms 1954, speed 17, data same as well as at T-54, weight 30 tons
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-54.htm
123. unit 468 TO-55 in batch production 1968 (in game 1958), data same as well as at T-55
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-55.htm
124. unit 470 TO-62 - I have not found data about this unit.
125. unit 462, 608, 474 ASU-85 weight 15.5 tons, in arms 1958 (batch production 1959), speed 15, 2 units smoke dischargers, in middle 70th install 12.7mm AAMG, in unit 474 weapon2=7,62 SGMB.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/asu-85.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/20/
http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl?unit=2371
http://www.army.lv/?s=740&id=347&v=1#info
http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ar/asu-85.shtml
126. unit 500 2S1 Gvozdika in arms 1971 (in batch production 1972), weight 15 tons, 40 shells 35 HE and 5 HEAT, ob basis of chassis MT-LB change armour, vision=0, speed 20 and 2 water
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/04/122/
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/19/
book: Vooruzhenie Sovetskoy tehniki (Arms of the Soviet armoured technics 1945-1995)
127. unit 501, 502, 503 2S3 Akatsiya in arms 1971 (on diffirent sources batch production in 1970 or 1973), 40 shells 36 HE and 4 HEAT, vision=0, speed 60km/h=20, on basis of chassis SAM Krug, ROF=3 or 3.5, weight 27 tons, in 1975 year change shells = 46 (2S3M), iam offer use gun 111 (corrected), I think wiout AP shells, vision=0, in middle 80th in USSR made big work on create cluster shells for guns, in 1987 (2S3M1), new devices, new sights, vision=0, iiam offer use AP shell without HEAT, use gun 111 (corrected)
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/04/152-2/
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/19/
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tec...c3-akatsia.asp
book: Vooruzhenie Sovetskoy tehniki (Arms of the Soviet armoured technics 1945-1995)
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...b=5&o=&fpart=1
128. unit 589 2S4 Tulpan in arms 1971 (in batch production 1974) speed 62km/h=21, shells HE=40 (9650 meters) or 20 projectile HE shells (18000 meters), ROF 1, size 5, crew 5
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tec...2c4-tulpan.asp
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/16/
129. unit 812, 813 2S7 Pion and 2S7M Malka quantity shells error???
130. units 593 and 916 2S9 Nona-S iam offer - unit class SP Howitzer
131. SP Howitzer Sviristelka SPA name 2S9-1 Sviristelka, this is 2S9 Nona-S modernized, not swim ??? and more shells transport, 40 shells, in arms 1984
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/02/01/
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tec...ona-s-base.asp
132. units 595, 594, 915, 917 iam offer change class unit SP Howitzer
133. unit 506 and 600 2S19 Msta-S name 2S19 MSTA-S, weight 42 tons, I think survivability 5, smoke dischargers 6 unit=2 in game, vision=0, on basis of chassis T-72 and T-80, armour at as T-72 without combined armour
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/2c1...c19-msta-b.asp
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1580.0
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/msta/msta.php
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A119
http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ar/2s19.shtml
134. SP Artillery Koalitsiya-SV it future unit, on basis of chassis tank T-72 and T-80, 70 shells, 2 GUNS, ROF 16 for two gun 8 for 1 gun, weight 55 tons
http://btvt.narod.ru/3/koalition_sv/koalition_sv.htm
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May 18th, 2008, 12:21 PM
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Re: Russian units v4
Yes, I know. I looked at all the info before posting this. Perhaps you could enquire WHY the English version differs so much from the Russian one ?
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May 18th, 2008, 12:38 PM
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Re: Russian units v4
I can not tell definitely, but I can assume, that data in the Russian and English version of page not always change or simply forget it to make.
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May 18th, 2008, 01:44 PM
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Re: Russian units v4
135. unit 061 - 82mm Mortar iam offer unit class Mortar.
136. unit 560 82mm Mortar Sec iam offer remove this unit. On organizational-regular structure each mortar is 1 branch. 3 mortars in one unit it are wrong and is unnecessary, besides it takes a place in OOB.
137. Mortar 82mm Mortar weapon mortar 2B14 82mm, in arms 1982. Iam offer include this mortar in game.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/
http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4333
138. unit 563 2-120mm Mortars iam offer remove weapon2. On organizational-regular structure each mortar is 1 branch. 3 mortars in one unit it are wrong
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/
139. unit 566 - 2-120mm Mortars - iam offer remove weapon2. On organizational-regular structure each mortar is 1 branch. 3 mortars in one unit it are wrong. I have not found data about a mortar 2B. In 1955 on arms it was accepted two mortars 120mm, but the most widespread mortar for today 120mm in the Russian army is a mortar 2B11. In arms and batch production 1981.
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...b=5&o=&fpart=1
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/
140. unit 815 - 120 Nona Mortar armies have this weapon only in 2007 (in middle 80th this weapon not in arms). Iam offer change gun from our OOB 120mm 2B18, name unit 120mm Nona SM-1. Exact data about it are not present, except range of shooting. Iam offer increase quantity shells.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/
141. unit 565 - 160mm Mortar in arms 1949, The modernised divisional mortar of 1943 (with the increased length burrel)
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/
142. unit 588 2B9 Vasilek iam offer change unit class=201 Mortar (Sub type B)
143. Mortar (Sub Type A) 240mm Mortar in arms 1950, use gun at as Tulpan, can shoot nuclear shells, radio=93
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/
144. unit 425 - 152mm D-1 FH unit class Howitzer=154, ROF=4
145. unit 424 130mm M46 FG name 130mm M-46 FG, in arms 1954 (in batch production 1951), ROF = on diffirent sources 6 or 8.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/11/
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/01/130/
http://rpg1.ru/view49.html
http://mega.km.ru/weaponry/encyclop....picNumber=1573
146. unit 426 - 152mm D20 FG name 152 D-20 Khitin, crew 10, unit class Howitzer=154, used many shells HE, HEAT, cluster, I have counted 18 type shells, in game not present on-map unit with AP shells.
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/01/152-3/
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/11/
147. Filed Gun 122mm D-74 FG in game not present on-map unit, in arms 1954 (in batch production 1956), have sight for direct shoot, use shell VBR-472 - I could not find data on this shell, therefore I do not know what it HEAT or AP/Sabot.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/11/
148. unit 422 - 122mm M30 FH name 122mm M-30 FH, class unit Howitzer=154
149. unit 423 - 122mm D30 FH name 122mm D-30 FH, second name - 122mm D-30 FH Lyagushka, unit class Howitzer=154, in arms 1960, also I offer clone thise unit unit class Airborne Field Howitzer=184 and for this unit increase quantity HEAT shells.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/10/
http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4328
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/122-%D0...0%B0_%D0%94-30
http://weaponsas.narod.ru/Art_d30.htm
150. unit 427 Giatsint-B in game not present on-map artillery with AP shells (cluster munition). Shooting from a gun is conducted by the shots developed specially for it. We assume that shells have been developed for it together with a gun. I suggest to make this gun with cluster shells in game at least since 1978.
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/01/152-1/
http://mega.km.ru/weaponry/encyclop....picNumber=1550
http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4329
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%9036
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=859.0
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/11/
151. Howitzer MSTA-B in game not present on-map variant gun. Iam offer make it.
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May 22nd, 2008, 01:30 AM
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Re: Russian units v4
152. units 188, 547, 807 - 203mm 2A44 Guns - This gun was established on 2S7 Pion and 2S7M Malka. I have not found data about that that this gun was towed. I suggest to make since 1983-85 for 2S7M Malka - one more variant of this gun (the weapon number 229 in our OOB) and to make 5 shells or all AP (cluster). Also I suggest to make off-map a variant 2S7M Malka with a considerable quantity of an ammunition.
153. unit 256 - BM-13 Katyusha - weight 12 tons, speed 40km/h=13
154. unit 254 - BM-14-16 - wrong photo, in arms 1952 (in batch production 1952, in 1958 ended), crew 7, size 4, weight 10, radio 91 or 92, survivability ????, speed 60 km/h=20, change icon
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w.../bm14_16.shtml
155. unit 262 - BM-24 Platoon - in arms 1952, in 1955 increase range 10,6 km, in 1962 more increase range 17.5 km. This car has not received a wide circulation in armies., crew 6, size 5, weight 12 tons, speed 55km/h
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/bm-24.htm
156. unit 522 - RPU-14 - in arms 1956 (batch production 1957), created for paratroops armies (VDV)
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...14/rpu14.shtml
157. unit 257 - BM-21 Grad - weight 15 tons, size 5, crew 5, survivability ???, speed (armed) 75km/h, radio 92 (????)
http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4339
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-rszo-grad.asp
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/grad/grad.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21
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May 22nd, 2008, 02:27 PM
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Re: Russian units v4
158. SP Rocket Launcher BM-21V Grad-V weapon from Grad 122mm rockets, in arms 1967 (for paratroops VDV), on basis of chasis GAZ-66, 12 shells (6x6), crew 5, size 4, speed (armed) 85 km/h=28
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...v/grad_v.shtml
159. unit 266 - BM-21 CM Pl size 5, in game not present on-map variant this is unit, iam not found date in arms.
160. unit 258, 261 - 9P140 Uragan wrong name, correct BM-27 Uragan. Name 9P140 name for chasis this weapon. In arms and batch production 1975, weight 20,2 tons, speed 65km/h=22
http://www.splav.org/ru/arms/uragan/pu.asp
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...ga/uraga.shtml
161. unit 265 TOS-1 variants 24 burrels (TOS-1A) and 30 burrels (TOS-1), speed 60km/h=20, on basis of chasis T-72 tank, weight on diffirent sources 42-46 tons, survivability=4 ????, in arms begin 1995 (batch production and used in afgan war in 80th), old rockets range 3500 meters, new rockets range 6000 meters, radio=92
http://btvt.narod.ru/3/tos1.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/
http://armoured.vif2.ru/tos-1.htm
http://www.army.lv/?s=741&id=197
162. unit 259 - BM-30 Smerch Pl crew 32 for platoon, in arms and batch production 1987, armour ??????. iam offer include more one variant BM-30 Smerch with cluster munition and used weapon from our OOB weapon number 102 (unit in our OOB 536 and 537)
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-rszo-smerch.asp
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...h/smerch.shtml
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May 22nd, 2008, 03:28 PM
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Re: Russian units v4
163. unit 380 - BRDM-1 Snapper name 2K16 Shmel, on basis of chasis 2P27 BRDM-1
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
164. unit 381 - BRDM-1 Swatter name 2K8 Falanga, on basis of chasisi BRDM-1
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
165. unit 382 - BRDM-1 Sagger name 9K14 Malyutka, on basis of chasisi BRDM-1, 6 burrels ROF=6
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1598.0
166. unit 383 - BRDM-2 ATGM name 9K11M Malyutka-M, 6 burrels ROF=6, on basis of chasis BRDM-2
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
167. unit 384 - BRDM-2 ATGM name 9K11P Malyutka-P, 6 burrels ROF=6, on basis of chasis BRDM-2
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
168. unit 385 - BRDM-2 ATGM name 9K8 Fleyta, 6 burrels ROF=6, on basis of chasis BRDM-2
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
169. unit 630 BRDM-2 ATGM - name ?????? can be 9K111 Fagot, 5 burrels ROF=5
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
170. unit 631 BRDM-2 ATGM name ??????, wrong weapon1, used Faktoria ATGM, ROF=5
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
171. unit 632 BRDM-2 ATGM name ?????, ROF=5
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1396.0
172. unit 386 and 387 BRDM-2 ATGM name ?????, ROF=5
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1396.0
173. unit 378 UAZ-69 Snapper name GAZ-69 ATGM
174. unit 389 - Krizantema-S correct name Khrizantema-S, in arms 2002 or 2003, on basis of chasis BMP-3, survivability=5 ????, GSR with mm-cells (Millimetric lattice) vision=60 ???, speed 23 and 3 water, weight 13 tons, ultra-sonic missiles used. It is written that such 3 ATGMs can to reflect successfully an attack of 14 tanks of the opponent, having destroyed thus not less than 60 % of these tanks. Iam not found information on ATGM Khrizantema for infantry team, found only on basis of chasis BMP-3. Iam offer change class unit=19 - SP ATGM
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/xrizantema.htm
http://www.army-guide.com/rus/product1650.html
http://www.kbm.ru/ru/product/ptrk/hrizantema-c
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
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Probably names BRDM ATGM and BRDM-2 ATGM to leave as is, but only without the NATO designation?
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