Antimagic + Army of lead

[thejeff]

Technically some of those don't autocast the spell, but the effect is the same. They don't stack. It's more that some things are just effects. You either have luck or not.

Charcoal Shield and I think, Boots of quickness show the effects outside of battle, so they don't just cast the spell.

Rime Hauberk and Crystal Shield do, not sure what else.

Occasionally the difference is important. Luck and Missile Shield effects from items protect outside of battle, which they wouldn't if it was an autocast.

There was also a thread at one point about using the autocast items with Communion/Slave matrices to get effects on the slaves.

[JimMorrison]

This is not a hard and fast rule, for sure. Do a 9W bless and put boots of quickness on your prophet, zooooooom. I had a game where he got heroic swiftness, or whatever the AP bonus is, it was insane, he was over 50 AP. Too bad it was only SP game, I didn't get to amaze anyone, or lose him to something stupid like a random Soul Slay.

[sum1lost]

JimMorrison said:
This is not a hard and fast rule, for sure. Do a 9W bless and put boots of quickness on your prophet, zooooooom. I had a game where he got heroic swiftness, or whatever the AP bonus is, it was insane, he was over 50 AP. Too bad it was only SP game, I didn't get to amaze anyone, or lose him to something stupid like a random Soul Slay.

I don't think the bless and boots stack, but the heroic swiftness stacks with either of those two.

[moderation]

By the way, the Amulet of Lycanthropy and Ring of Regeneration did stack regeneration in my tests.

[Lingchih]

Nice. Too bad you turn into a werewolf though.

[Baalz]

moderation said:
My the way, the Amulet of Lycanthropy and Ring of Regeneration did stack regeneration in my tests.

FYI, you can stack hydra skin on top of that, and even cast personal regeneration on top of that...and even put a nature blessing on top of *that*. Stacking regeneration is one of my favorites that I don't see too many people do. Hyrda skin + ring of regen is very nice on an earth king. Very nice indeed.

[JimMorrison]

Good info Endo, I see where the confusion comes from. As a slightly less experienced player, I think I had been left with the impression that Quickness was simply the 50% AP boost. So when the bless takes you to 150%, and then boots take you to 200%, it looks like gaining 50% every time, rather than the boots making the blessing superfluous. It does make the water bless a little less attractive, being not as useful for a sacred thug/SC strat, but maintaining its value for large numbers of sacreds that will never get geared out.

[Tuidjy]

I had a commander with 84 APs in my last game (higher in colder provinces).
Sometimes he acted six times per round. Devastating.

[Meglobob]

sum1lost said:

I don't think the bless and boots stack, but the heroic swiftness stacks with either of those two.

Actually, I am pretty certain JimMorrison is correct bless, boots and heroic all stack.

Lingchih said:
Nice. Too bad you turn into a werewolf though.

But do you?

A Kraken with lychantropos Amulet never seems to change into a werewolf.

[Endoperez]

The change seems to be limited to just certain sizes (perhaps from 1 to 3 or 1 to 4), and some types of creatures probably aren't affected (undead, constructs, whatever else).

W9 Quickness and Spell Quickness didn't stack together this February, when it was tested (by vfb at least); Kristoffer also took part in the discussion and disagreed with the tested results. It is easy to test, though. Start a test game with W9 pretender, give an unarmoured priest Boots of Quickness (to avoid encumberance effects on APs), enter a battle and cast bless.

In the above scenario, the AP stay at 2x the base.

EDIT:
here's the link
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...&Number=579879