New Finnish OOB

[Zipuli]

More changes:

-removed off-map AMOS, available only on-map now
-new AMOS picture from field tests (old one was either a very early production or mock-up pic - though not a bad one)
-changed AMOS ammo load to correct (65), and crew to correct (4), and size to 5 (was 4), which dropped prices to 141, 154 (AMOS, AMOS STRIX)
-AMV APC (with AAMG) new picture ("turret" looks different in the production version vs. old pic that was prototype)
-added Fort "23 ItK 61 Fort", that are mostly used to cover the fixed Coast Artillery
-new 100 56 TK -image (was 130mm image)
-Bn AT Platoon added with BVs
-ATGM Company formation added with wheeled APCs, BVs or no transport. This is either independent ATGM company or Bde ATGM Coy (TOW equiped)
-Bde ATGM Company added for org 05
-AA Battery 61 and 61/95 added (9 x 23mm AA)
-NLAW platoons added (XA, BV, CV, foot)
-removed exp and mor bonuses from artillery formations
-tweaked exp and mor bonuses for special forces, sissi

All in all it's almost ready... testing, testing. If someone would like to help testing, PM me your e-mail. All help warmly welcome!!

Zip

[Koh]

I hope I'm not too late with this to make it to the new version, but since the new radio system seems to affect the gameplay somewhat significantly, I think it's worth mentioning that at least the newer Musti platoons have radio equipment of similar quantity as the Brigade 05s. They have squad level radios for coordinating the platoon's fire. I guess this could be perhaps most easily represented by giving the LRF equipped 95 S 58-61M squads a high chance of radios as well?

[Zipuli]

Musti radio ratings are 10,20,30,60,80 with last 2 from 2000 onwards. The one with 80 has the LRF for the section. You seem to be very keen on this particular weapon . I added the AAMGs to Musti company, and after 1961 Musti section has speed 2. I found no info on musti platoon having 2 AT-sections, but one?

Zip

[Koh]

The amount of AT sections in a Musti platoon is a tricky one, simply because three of the four AT Patrols are not independent units. Eeach Musti squad has an organic AT Patrol of 3 men (the standard AT Patrol) that is lead by the squad second in command (almost always an NCO). In addition to that there's a somewhat rare squad type called Anti Tank Squad. I'm not sure if they are present anywhere else than the Musti Companies. It consists of two AT Patrols, each lead by an NCO and most of the time used independently from each other.

So all in all, that gives us 2 AT Patrols from the two Musti squads and 2 more AT Patrols from the AT Squad. So in total the platoon has two Musti's and four AT Patrols. That's some serious tank stopping power. Well, at least if the tanks are in range, which of course shouldn't be a problem in Finland.

And yes, I'm pretty keen on this particular weapon. It shouldn't be too hard to guess how I spent my time in the army.

[Zipuli]

As the AT-patrols are part of the Musti section (Musti has crew of 6), maybe reduce Musti crew to 3 and add an AT-patrol to the section? The problem this way would be that Musti's combat survivability would drop dramatically, especially vs. bigger calibers and artillery. Other way of portraying it would be to add APILAS as a 2nd weapon to Musti section, but then the patrol would not be mobile.

"In addition to that there's a somewhat rare squad type called Anti Tank Squad. I'm not sure if they are present anywhere else than the Musti Companies. It consists of two AT Patrols, each lead by an NCO and most of the time used independently from each other."

-Well this one is not rare, as "Sinkoryhmä" is also found in each infantry/jaeger Company. Also the Jaeger Bn AT Platoon is made up of 3 of these squads. I've used AT-patrols to form these squads as they almost always work as patrols of 3. So in companies you find 2 patrols under CO, and in Bn AT platoon you find 6 patrols.

Zip

PS. Look what the cat brought in... Looks like a Leopard 2R assault breacher and AMOS on AMV with 3-colour camo (see the attachments, contains JPG images)

[Koh]

Huh, I was under the assumption that Jaeger and Inf companies have two independent AT Patrols at company level. You're never too old to learn something new

The Musti crew question shouldn't be an issue. The crew of the weapon (with the 3 man AT Patrol detached) is actually four men and pretty much always a driver also joins the crew as an ammo bearer, giving it a crew of five. That should give it enough combat survivability. The standard crew of 6 the Musti's had in the original OOB seemed to detach the AT Patrols and then add all the extra men in the platoon (drivers, platoon leader, medics etc.) to the crews.

Also the Leopard 2R looks pretty awesome. Nice work!

[Zipuli]

OK, will look at the Musti platoons, and most propably go from crew 6 -> 5 and add AT patrols. You know the only time I saw Mustis was during my conscription time, and I didn't count the men, and haven't found any new info on platoon level org since platoon Musti number went down from 3 to 2, and back then the AT patrols used 55S55 . However old the weapon is, it still makes a tremendous BANG when firing!

Zip

PS. Raisu 92 clearing a gravel road for the following supply column . Maybe a few more icons, if I find anything worthy to add, as the game has them allmost all quite well covered, and in multiple camos too!