How often does an awakened god win?

Jazzepi · #1 August 2nd, 2008, 05:02 AM

A wyrm without at least dom 9 is terrible =(

I've come to the conclusion that Air 2 is amazing on the wurm and cyclops pretender in combination with awe 9-10 (I've not seen a big difference between the two).

With air 2 you get (hold your breath)

Air shield (right away, zero research!), mist form, cloud trapeeze, flight, and resist lightning

Basically the air shield ensures that the cyclops will never get killed by a butt-ton of crossbowmen, and it helps the wyrm against any type of javelins or archers since the wyrm fairs far worse against regular archers than the cyclops.

Jazzepi

sector24 · #2 August 2nd, 2008, 09:50 AM

A lot of nations need an awake god not to win, but just to have the chance to compete. This necessity may throw off the correlation between "awake god" and "victory".

Meglobob · #3 August 2nd, 2008, 02:39 PM

I have won or joint won 4MP's, 2 Awake, 2 Sleeping and 0 Imprisioned.

La Ermor/awake.
Ma Man/awake.
La Caelum/sleeping.
La Agartha/sleeping.

I have had alot of games where I have done well with a awake/sleeping god and have never been knocked out in the early game.

I have played imprisioned gods alot too, usually for the bless but not done as well in the endgame. This may be more to bless nations running out of steam, being ganged or other reasons thou. Been knocked out 2-3 times before turn 30, when I have had a imprisioned god.

JimMorrison · #4 August 2nd, 2008, 03:24 PM

I think LA Ermor stats should be thrown right out though - not really statistically relevant, since the nation is designed to require an Awake pretender, and has such a built in predisposition towards victory.

(For THIS sort of analysis, not saying you shouldn't be in HoF.

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Meglobob · #5 August 2nd, 2008, 03:34 PM

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JimMorrison said:
I think LA Ermor stats should be thrown right out though - not really statistically relevant, since the nation is designed to require an Awake pretender, and has such a built in predisposition towards victory.

Yea, I agree totally.

It was before the Ermor population nerf as well. It was the sickest, most powerful nation I have played in Dom3.

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Xietor said:In fact, too rapid expansion in a mp game could lead to a fast exit as you are a candidate for the dog pile.

Agree totally with this as well!

Been dog piled so many times playing a bless nation I have lost count and all because I had the cheek to grab 20%+ of the surface land area!

Funny thing is they would have (usually) been better dog piling the quiet guy with long term NAP's, researching, forging clams, fever fetishes and/or blood stones. As well as summoning every SC chassis available and/or developing master enslave/wish/arcane nexus etc...

Amhazair · #6 August 2nd, 2008, 05:37 PM

All 4 MP games I managed to win (or was declared winner - long story) were with awake pretenders. 2 PoD's with MA C'tis and Arga Dis, 1 Wyrm with LA R'lyeh, and a rainbow enchantress with minor F/W bless for Helheim.

Of course, I don't know how statistically relevant this is as I have very, very rarely played games with a heavy bless yet, (9/8 and 9/6/4 each on one occasion) so one of the main reasons for imprisoned gods went right out of the window.

Gandalf Parker · #7 August 2nd, 2008, 10:15 PM

I think that an awakened god will win often for some people, and rarely for others. Its like many things in this game. You have to go with whatever nation, god, strategy, etc that fits your style of play. Dont strain too hard to push yourself into another mold.

Some people play their god as a Super Combatant and do it very well. Others do better putting the points into scales and dominion. Others into more magic. Obviously its possible to win with any of those. Its no use worrying about why it doesnt work for you. Find what does work for you and use it. But if something doesnt work for you, Id advise you to not write it off completely. You can get caught off guard by that when someone else can make it work for their style of play.

Xietor · #8 August 2nd, 2008, 03:27 PM

Awake pretender gets you off to a fast start-that is it. An imprisoned pretender and blessed troops also get you off to a fast start.

On a 300 province map, I think diplomacy is just as important early on as rapid expansion. In fact, too rapid expansion in a mp game could lead to a fast exit as you are a candidate for the dog pile.