Mod Conceptual Balance Mod 1.6

Calahan · #1 October 3rd, 2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho

I have a suggestion about buffs. Not a balance thing, but something that could improve battle scripting. Reduce range on some buff spells, so caster will cast them on the squad that you intended the spell for and therefore put the caster close by.

Example: I had an army with two groups of centaurs that I placed on flanks with attack rear and a bunch of archers in the middle. I had two pans intended to cast haste on the two centaur groups. But, since haste has a range of ten and there were much more archers, pans chose to buff them, which is completely illogical. If the range for the spell had been five or less, I could have positioned them to cast on centaurs.

Is it possible to create new buff spells based on existing ones? If so, then one solution to the problems of long range causing unintended units to be targetted is to have standard and short range versions of certain buff spells. As that way the short range one could be used in scripts to aid targetting, and the long range ones could still be used by the AI when scripts run out.

Of course if buff spells can't be copied, then this post can just be ignored

rdonj · #2 October 3rd, 2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Calahan

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Originally Posted by Psycho

I have a suggestion about buffs. Not a balance thing, but something that could improve battle scripting. Reduce range on some buff spells, so caster will cast them on the squad that you intended the spell for and therefore put the caster close by.

Example: I had an army with two groups of centaurs that I placed on flanks with attack rear and a bunch of archers in the middle. I had two pans intended to cast haste on the two centaur groups. But, since haste has a range of ten and there were much more archers, pans chose to buff them, which is completely illogical. If the range for the spell had been five or less, I could have positioned them to cast on centaurs.

Is it possible to create new buff spells based on existing ones? If so, then one solution to the problems of long range causing unintended units to be targetted is to have standard and short range versions of certain buff spells. As that way the short range one could be used in scripts to aid targetting, and the long range ones could still be used by the AI when scripts run out.

Of course if buff spells can't be copied, then this post can just be ignored

This should be completely possible. Actually I like that more than the idea I was going to suggest.

Burnsaber · #3 October 3rd, 2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rdonj

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Originally Posted by Calahan

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Originally Posted by Psycho

I have a suggestion about buffs. Not a balance thing, but something that could improve battle scripting. Reduce range on some buff spells, so caster will cast them on the squad that you intended the spell for and therefore put the caster close by.

Example: I had an army with two groups of centaurs that I placed on flanks with attack rear and a bunch of archers in the middle. I had two pans intended to cast haste on the two centaur groups. But, since haste has a range of ten and there were much more archers, pans chose to buff them, which is completely illogical. If the range for the spell had been five or less, I could have positioned them to cast on centaurs.

Is it possible to create new buff spells based on existing ones? If so, then one solution to the problems of long range causing unintended units to be targetted is to have standard and short range versions of certain buff spells. As that way the short range one could be used in scripts to aid targetting, and the long range ones could still be used by the AI when scripts run out.

Of course if buff spells can't be copied, then this post can just be ignored

This should be completely possible. Actually I like that more than the idea I was going to suggest.

No. Just no.

Not that it's a bad idea, it would just have unseen consequenses. Writing a new spell for each buff with range would make CBM eat many precious golden spell slots, limiting the amount that other mods can add.

Since CBM is basically the new vanilla, all mods basically have to be compactible with it, so there really isn't any workaround. Please, don't take my precious spell-slots! I need them!

Fantomen · #4 October 4th, 2009, 10:08 AM

I agree with burnsaber, we need those slots for other mods. I also don´t like the idea of having multiple spells doing almost the same thing, it would disturb my sense of immersion.

I think the idea of reduced range is worth testing though, but don´t put in CBM until tested in a separate mod.

rdonj · #5 October 4th, 2009, 05:53 PM

What about giving "defensive" buffs, and the ones that really need to go on specific things have low range, but "offensive" buffs keep the range they have?