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Old October 28th, 2009, 04:16 PM
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During the resultant skirmish between the human controlled Taliban and the computer controlled German forces, I noticed that the German "Jagers" were suffering peculiarly high causalities from industrial age weapons the Taliban commonly use compared with friendly forces that are reported on the news networks.
I don't understand what you means by "industrial age". When it comes to infantry weapons technology there has not been a massive rate of improvement in the last decades compared to others military development. Bluntly put the capability gap between the average, current issue, NATO rifle and a StG 44 or an AKM isn't comparable to that between an Abrams and a Sherman or a T-54. Same applies to machine guns, mortars and such(infantry antitank and antiaircraft weapons have undergone many more changes to keep up with those platforms of course but have only limited relevance in infantry vs infantry contests).
The only exception I can think about are grenade launchers, both the underbarrel and the heavy crew served ones, which are far better than what was used before and whose proliferation in places like Afghanistan has been limited. Still bottom line is that infantry armed with AKMs, PK machine guns and RPG-7s does pose a significant threat despite the old age of such weapons.
The western advantage in addition to the already mentioned body armor lays in factors like superior training/organization, sensors (when applicable)and very capable fire support.


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My second and third questions are: Do Germans posses the "baseball catchers" armor like American forces do? If so, are they known to use this technology on the field of battle?
I don't know exactly what type is in use by the germans but body armor is pretty much standard issue for western troops in such theaters.
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Old October 28th, 2009, 07:08 PM
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During the resultant skirmish between the human controlled Taliban and the computer controlled German forces, I noticed that the German "Jagers" were suffering peculiarly high causalities from industrial age weapons the Taliban commonly use compared with friendly forces that are reported on the news networks.
I don't understand what you means by "industrial age". When it comes to infantry weapons technology there has not been a massive rate of improvement in the last decades compared to others military development. Bluntly put the capability gap between the average, current issue, NATO rifle and a StG 44 or an AKM isn't comparable to that between an Abrams and a Sherman or a T-54. Same applies to machine guns, mortars and such(infantry antitank and antiaircraft weapons have undergone many more changes to keep up with those platforms of course but have only limited relevance in infantry vs infantry contests).
The only exception I can think about are grenade launchers, both the underbarrel and the heavy crew served ones, which are far better than what was used before and whose proliferation in places like Afghanistan has been limited. Still bottom line is that infantry armed with AKMs, PK machine guns and RPG-7s does pose a significant threat despite the old age of such weapons.
The western advantage in addition to the already mentioned body armor lays in factors like superior training/organization, sensors (when applicable)and very capable fire support.


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My second and third questions are: Do Germans posses the "baseball catchers" armor like American forces do? If so, are they known to use this technology on the field of battle?
I don't know exactly what type is in use by the germans but body armor is pretty much standard issue for western troops in such theaters.
As to your question about my usage of "industrial age" I used the term , incorrectly as it turns out, to denote the relative antiquity of the Taliban's small arms.

Your post sheds light on the the technology gap present in certain weapon systems and not present in other weapon systems such as small arms.

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Players should note that body armor would have a serious effect in playbalance, making armies with those nearly invincible, Like T-54 x M1 Abrahms(even early ones)
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Players should note that body armor would have a serious effect in playbalance, making armies with those nearly invincible, Like T-54 x M1 Abrahms(even early ones)
Are you speaking about reality or the game mechanics?
Because if it is the former that is certainly not the case.
All it does is protecting some areas of the body against a certain range of threats.
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