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[Groundworm]

Finalgenesis, I respectfully disagree with the tone of your post. At the very least, none of my actions were meant to breach our NAP. That may, however, be at least partially my fault. I had, up until now, viewed NAPs as military agreements. In my mind, overwriting your Eternal Pyre was a strategic action and was not meant as an overt act of hostility. Your post made me rethink my ideas, as it's called a "non-aggression" pact for a reason.

As far as the sceptics... given that I have national scrying ability as well as Gift of Health up, it only makes sense to me to push my dominion in whatever ways possible. And since sceptics cost only slightly more than scouts and are better at what they do, it seems sensible to use them in place of scouts.

And the forts... forts hardly seem like an aggressive action, being that most people put them up throughout their territory in order to recruit. And especially on border provinces, purely for defense. This point I most strongly refute as evidence of aggression towards you.

I am willing to accept fault for some of my actions, but they were made still in good faith of our NAP. If you would like to summarily terminate our NAP, I will abide by that with no hard feelings. Similarly, if you wish to continue our NAP, I will remove sceptics from your territory and cease directly overwriting your global enchantments with the same enchantment.

In short, I think we have a difference of opinion in what constitutes breach of a NAP; whether you believe me or not is up to you. I'm willing to admit that I may be in error.

[Ragnars Wolves]

I have no dog in this fight so I asked my Dad (GrudgeBringer) who used to almost exclusively play EA Arco about the Skeptics.

His answer did surprise me.

He said that he also used Skeptics as scouts but had to be very aware that the "Usual' rule of thumb was....ANY Mage, Priest, or troop of any kind that can do harm to another nation in any way in the other nations territory could be considered an act of war.

So, I asked a specific Question about skeptics. His reply was that skeptics hurt domain and cause unrest. He would try and get by with one or two as scouts but if caught he would have to make some diplomatic amends and at times was summarily attacked with out warning.

So while it doesn't sound like you meant any harm or knew any one would take it that way. It did sound as you meant to run skeptics knowing they would lower Domain.

I am not suggesting he attack you, but now I guess If I found skeptics (OR a stone idol etc) in my domain, I would probably demand compensation or attack (LOL, or cry).

I didn't know Arco had so many small weapons at its command.

[Finalgenesis]

Originally Posted by Groundworm

And the forts... forts hardly seem like an aggressive action, being that most people put them up throughout their territory in order to recruit. And especially on border provinces, purely for defense. This point I most strongly refute as evidence of aggression towards you.

Extracted from our post:

"followed by infiltration of multiple sceptic into our lands and forts to subvert dominion."

Our lands and our forts, meaning your sceptic sitting on our forts to attack dominion and create unrest. Building forts and temples along borders are definitely fair game and not considered an overt act of aggression.

[nrasch]

I'd like to quickly compliment everyone in the previous NAP discussions on being so mature and reasonable. I can't count the number of times I've seen those kind of posts degrade into trash talking, junior high affairs.

So, well done, and thanks for keeping our game friendly and fun. I even got to learn something as to what might be considered aggressive.

Thanks!
Nathan

[Ragnars Wolves]

LOL, now I have to agree with Groundworm on forts...It IS his territory and if he wants to build forts, I would say that is his perogitive. Just because he MIGHT make and send skeptics from them doesn't mean anything....Oh, just found out another thing about skeptics, just because they are YOUR skeptics, they will screw up YOUR unrest and domain also. So you see, that is why sketics are considered a possible declaration of war. Why build them if your not going to send them anywhere. I guess it is kind of like holding in football...until you get caught there is no penalty, but once you do, it could be a big one.