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Old December 3rd, 2011, 10:10 AM
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Default Re: Fixes for the iraqi OOB

And it gets fuzzy when the commander can stay with the vehicle or dismount with the section. The game has no such option to stay/leave.

As far as the game is concerned APC 123 is commanded by leader Bloggs, and the dismounts are commanded by leader Smith. (No Smith if the squad is mounted, and an Y/N to dismount Smith if the team gets out. Who commands if Smith stays with the vehicle?. What if there are >1 dismount teams?. If he dismounts, does the vehicle lose use of weapon slot #3?. etc)

It would be terribly difficult to implement such a mechanism in any meaningful way even for human players to manage, let alone have the poor AI decide what to do.

In OOB design, it is entirely up to the OOB designer to decide whether the element's commander is counted in the vehicle crew total, the dismounts, or both.

Its a company/Battalion level game after all. Micro-details like where exactly Smith is can be left to the first-person view squad level shooter type video games.

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Default Re: Fixes for the iraqi OOB

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As far as the game is concerned APC 123 is commanded by leader Bloggs, and the dismounts are commanded by leader Smith....
Fortunately, with BMD it is simple, because a commander has to dismount (in other case, it would be 4 troops fighting). The vehicle remains with driver and gunner.

As a point of interest, I have a Polish military script about BMP platoon usage (it is probably similar to other BMP users, based upon Soviet pattern):

There are three BMP in a platoon, each with 10 men. In one of them, a platoon commander travels, and in each one, a squad commander. Those, who dismount, are: three 7-men squads, the platoon commander and a sniper (I don't know however, if he's included in one squad or on a platoon level, but I'll try to ask). There remain three drivers, three gunners, and platoon commander's assistant, who commands the vehicles.

BTW: it's worth to correct a structure of Polish units this way (now they have 9-8-8 squads, should be 8-7-7 + sniper), but I'm reluctant to start a new thread, not to annoy Don, who's already overloaded with details from me...

Edit: PS - in Czechoslovak army it was roughly the same, but web pages mention about 29 men in BMP platoon, not 30 - maybe without a sniper.

Edit2: the sniper is included into one squad.

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