Polish OOB 5.5

[Pibwl]

Few misc comments on weapons and formations:

Weapons:

005 wz.89 Onyks SMG - short series was made, but it wasn't finally adopted. It could be replaced with PM-84P SMG (Uzi-like design, firing 9mm Para) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PM-84_Glauberyt
It can substitute for Onyks in all units, from which Onyks hasn't been removed (until they are reviewed next time)

006 wz/43/52 SMG - correct name would be wz.43/52 SMG. But it's better to rename it PPS wz.43 SMG - it would cover both standard folding stock wz.43 and wooden stock wz.43/52 (horribly clumsy looking weapon).

007 wz.88/89 Tantal - correct name is only wz.88 Tantal (I don't know hence "89") - maybe better "wz.88 Tantal AR"

053 7.62 SGMT AAMG - Soviet designation of AAMG variant was SGMB.

033 7.62 SG43 MMG - maybe "7.62mm SG43 MMG", in accordance with others?

149 AT-2 Falanga-M1- useless

Unit 124 Mi-24D should use ordinary #147 9M17 Falanga (like in Russian OOB) instead of this one.

150 AT-2 Falanga-M - useless

167 9M120 Ataka - certainly useless

198 1000lb bomb - should be renamed 500 kg Bomb

216 98mm M98 Mortar - according to Polish sources and MoD page, it has range 400-7000 m (8-140 - now 2-92)

234 9mm PM63 SMG - it has specifications of a short rifle (range 4), while it was small and inefficient 9mm Makarov SMG. Range should be 2 and kill 4 (like Czech Skorpion) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PM-63_RAK

241 76mm L51 obr36 - useless

Regards
Michal

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

198 1000lb bomb - should be renamed 500 kg Bomb

NO Michal it should be changed to a 500kg bomb because in the game there is a difference in HEK between a 1000 pound bomb and a 500 kg bomb and that change was made a week or so back the first time you brought up the issue.

Originally Posted by Pibwl

053 7.62 SGMT AAMG - Soviet designation of AAMG variant was SGMB.

.......and that is the TENTH time this has been brought up un the last 3 months ( yep.... 9 times already in the "done" notes and now this time...10 total )

Now please......take a break and wait to see what the OOB in the patch looks like before commenting further.

Also.....I am well aware of the "useless" weapons, anyone who knows how to run the MOBHack database check utilities can find the unused weapons in the OOB. I can removed them or leave them alone, they have no affect on the game

Thank You


Don

[Marcello]

704 SU-76M - ammo load should be 31 HE, 19 AP, 10 according to J. Kajetanowicz. Maybe SMG could be added for self-defence? (there were carried one or two).

Fittings (ammo racks etc.) for a DP LMG were present, it was mounted on the cover rod or on the wall. I don't know how often it was used in practice though.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

.......and that is the TENTH time this has been brought up un the last 3 months ( yep.... 9 times already in the "done" notes and now this time...10 total )

Sorry

Originally Posted by DRG

Now please......take a break and wait to see what the OOB in the patch looks like before commenting further.

Also.....I am well aware of the "useless" weapons, anyone who knows how to run the MOBHack database check utilities can find the unused weapons in the OOB. I can removed them or leave them alone, they have no affect on the game

Yes, I'm taking a break.

I was writing about useless weapons to mark, that they are used by units, that are still present(?) in the file, although they may be renationalized or whatever - and these weapons might be changed to something similar in the future.

Regards,
Michal

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

I was writing about useless weapons to mark, that they are used by units, that are still present(?) in the file, although they may be renationalized or whatever - and these weapons might be changed to something similar in the future.

Regards,
Michal

Yes Michal, but I can find the unused ones anytime I need a weapons slot by clicking one button and reading the list and , if I so desire I can remove all the unused one with a click of a button as well but I tend to avoid doing that until it's necessary because it can complicate correcting scenarios and I don't need any further complications this time around.


Don

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Well this was the first Polish only Thread I came to. I say now Ukraine, Poland and to a lesser extent Finland, Norway and Sweden (If still on track, they should be combining for their own version of "NATO" this Spring.) are going to be the countries to watch in Europe over the next decade in light of Russia's current activities. But the first two will be the most important not withstanding the truce just agreed to yesterday between Ukraine and Russia. Though I try to take a world view in equipment submissions especially for the unrepresented OOB's in the game I can't ignore world events and treads that I believe my record is built on. So I'm back to Poland with the following...
http://www.janes.com/article/48589/p...ment-programme

Polish defense issues in depth are covered in this video interview for instance ALL T-72 tanks planned for removal by 2021 and PT-91 Series by I believe was said 2025. It's worth the view especially for the "Go Poland" group however this should not in of itself constitute a mad rush for OOB submissions or changes.

Regards,
Pat

[Pibwl]

Formations - just few.

012, 013 Heavy Tank Pl, Heavy Tank Co - heavy tank platoon had in fact only 2 tanks, company - 1 tank and 2 platoons (5 tanks).

014 SPG Platoon (3 SP-guns) -appeared from 1949. There should be also created:
- SPG Battery with 4 SP-guns (template unit 704 SU-76), in some 1946-1959
- SPG Battery with 5 SP-guns (template unit 705 SU-85), in some 1946-1955

085 Amphibian Pl - better name: Amphib APC Plt, to show their real role

252 Mec Bn Spt MRV - unit #207 Rosomak (IFV) should be replaced with #208 Rosomak (APC). In fact, each carries only 2 AT sections, not 3.

902-904 Gun Truck... - to be removed, with removal of Hiena.

That's all as for now.

Michal

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

902-904 Gun Truck... - to be removed, with removal of Hiena.

That's all as for now.

Michal

Yes, Michal, of course Michal, that is what is done automatically when the only unit in that class is removed from an OOB. I do not need to be told this. It is redundant information.

I have to admit though this does top telling me when a unit should get a desert Icon........




Don