Finnish OOB 6.0

[dmnt]

Sorry, should've checked them all at the same time.

BMP-2 also received the 72mm smoke grenade launchers, 6 units in total to be launched in a 3+3 combination.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nish_BMP-2.jpg

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Units 031, 032
EW to 4 (2 VIRSS shots)

[dmnt]

Originally Posted by dmnt

Vehicles: NASUs definitely and maybe BMP-2 (and/or MT-LBs? BTR-50?), XA-180 / 185 will be taken out of service as well as older trucks.

Today there was a news article on Helsingin Sanomat about the vehicle upgrades to come: http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/Armeijan+va...a1305571811386 (In Finnish)

in short:
-Upgrade SISU XA vehicles (180/185 series or all? Scrap 180/185 and upgrade 200s? - not mentioned here)
-SISU NA-120 tracked vehicles are to be replaced with Norwegian owned Swedish built ones (Bandvagn)
-Upgrade BMP-2, prototyping offers have already been asked
-In a couple of years a decision will be made on Leopard 2A4 tanks. Either an upgrade or a purchase of more modern and less used ones.

I'll check later if the ink on dead tree version has more information as they suggest at the end.

[dmnt]

I have the Helsingin Sanomat news article which provides some in-depth information:

Vehicles

The Sisu NA-140 will be replaced with Bv 206's from Norway if Norway will sell them enough. First test batch has been received already.

Sisu XA-180/185 will be upgraded. First prototypes will be field tested this year, some pictures have been in the internet suggesting improvement on the armoring similar to XA-200 series. The upgrades should start in 2013 and continue for "a decade as there are hundreds of them in use."
http://www.tekniikkatalous.fi/multim...ium_87038b.jpg

Leopards will either have an upgrade or then the budget will be used to purchase them used from somewhere. The target is to have them usable until 2030's.

BMP-2 (acquired 1988-1992) will be upgraded in 2-3 years.

Approx. 100 MT-LBs were bought from Sweden last year to replace BTR-50s for good. They have arrived lately and are being inspected.
http://www.tekniikkatalous.fi/metalli/article598749.ece

AT weaponry
M72 A5 (local designation 66 KES 75) will be out of service by the middle of this decade. The replacement will be bought next year and the purchase will be in the order of thousands.

Apilas will be replaced by MBT-LAW (local designation NLAW). The replacement in training will take place from next year on.

95 S 58-61 "Musti" has been out of training from this year on.

[dmnt]

Nasu NA-140
Inconsistent speed value
Units 35, 36, 37 have a move speed of 16
Units 43, 334 have a move speed of 18

Nasu NA-140 is slightly faster than Bv 206, which has speed 16-17 depending on country (some inconsistencies there). I believe 18 is the proper value.

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Units 35, 36, 37: move speed to 18

[dmnt]

Here we go... re: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=48894

Sisu XA-* with OWS platforms lack FC values and are classified as non-turreted AAMGs suffering from being buttoned.

Turreted NSV-12.7s (PML - 127 - OWS) are in XA-203, XA-203+ and AMV Patria APC (XA-360). Statistics are probably quite similar to Swedish Patgb 203 A, albeit not the same weapon. Turret elevation is up to 48 degrees, so AFAIK AA-capable. re: http://www.armyrecognition.com/finla...photos_uk.html

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Weapon 069
12.7mm NSV TMG
Weapon class: 19 (AA capable Auto Cannon)

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Units 051, 052, 054
Weapon 1: 69
Fire control: 5
Range Finder: 8

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Patria APC
Weapon 1: 90 (40mm KrKK 05)
Fire control: 5
Range Finder: 8

XA-360 at FDF page, see bottom
"Asevarustus Kongsberg Protector RWS, jossa 12,7 mm raskaskonekivääri 2005 tai 40 mm kranaattikonekivääri 2005"

Weaponry Kongsberg Protector RWS, with 12.7 mm heavy machine gun 2005 or 40mm AGL 2005

[dmnt]

Now that I really started going and the navy equipment page is there...

Navy 130 53 TK

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Unit 593 130mm Turret
Vision: 40
Range finder: 22

"Tykkilaskin, laseretäisyysmittari ja lämpökamera"
"Cannon computer (or something), laser range finder and a TI camera"

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Antiship missile -85 (MTO-85) is a tricky one. As there isn't a surface-to-water missile this could be ignored, but at least RBS-17 is included as an ATGM
MTO-85 on Navy site

On board of some ships (Hamina, Rauma class), carried by a truck if on land. Too big and clumsy, can't limit to shoot only on water? Then we can just skip this.

Rannikko-ohjus 06 (Spike ER)

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Weapon: Spike ER
(Copy from any country, such as Romania (slot 170) or Chile (slot 170))

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Unit: ROhj-06 team
Unit class: 206
Available from: 1/08 (usually conscript training about 2 years after acceptance pointed by the year in the designation)
Move: 1
Vision: 40

[dmnt]

TRACK/FOLLOW

New purchases coming:
http://m.iltalehti.fi/articles/s/uut...05944_320.html

A CGI picture:

A patrol / transport boat for navy:

The Navy has signed an agreement on Monday regarding an acquisition of 12 fast boats. The introduction of vessels for transport and combat in service will occur between 2014 and 2016. They can be used for both domestic and international defense tasks.

The vessels are highly equipped and they employ "the latest domestic technology, domestic production and domestic work force."

Navy vessels are multi-functional, faster than their predecessors, and contain a variety of equipment. They have a ballistic protection and are to be equipped with remote-controlled turrets. Boats are protected against NBC warfare.

The vessels are equipped with navigation and battle sensors, such as the thermal imaging camera, day vision camera, radar and sonar equipment.

Soldiers have been kept in mind for they'll have an ergonomic seating, up to 25 people. Additional equipment are storing facilities for weapons etc.

Vessels are appropriate for fire support missions, transport and evacuation, surveillance and reconnaissance missions as well as maintenance and HQ tasks.

SPECIFICATIONS:

U700-class
- Registered for 32 people (25+7)
- 19 m long (62 ft)
- 5 m wide (16½ ft)
- Marching speed of over 35 knots laden
- Top speed of over 40 knots

[dmnt]

Remove
Patria IFV

Patria IFV with autocannon, stabilizer etc. was probably a guesswork addition at the time but there seems to be no such thing in FDF. Instead APC variants with turreted MG and AGL. The IFV should probably be removed altogether as there's no such thing in sight. Also XA-203s with autocannons are yet to be found.

In Afghanistan operation there's been XA-203s in separate configuration, but I'm unable to find any reference if there was additional HEAT protection or anything. One thing is for sure, the weapon was the standard 12.7 mm TMG.

Sorry, can't link straight to the pictures: http://www.puolustusvoimat.fi/wcm/Er...si/Afganistan/

[DRG]

Originally Posted by dmnt

Remove
Patria IFV

Patria IFV with autocannon, stabilizer etc. was probably a guesswork addition at the time

...more likely the result of adding it based on someones helpful recommendation that this certainly going to be added based on the manufacturers optimistic predictions which is why now I don't add ANYTHING to the OOB until it's ACTUALLY in the troops grubby little hands which is why you won't find any changes in the OOB based on info like " XXX will be out of service by the middle of this decade and the replacement will be bought next year ....."

I know I've said this before but maybe it was in a PM to someone else. I will simply ignore ANY info on what MIGHT be produced and am now ONLY interested in weapons and equipment that is actually in service so everyone can save themselves a lot of time and effort by NOT posting things like the the patrol boat "Track follow". I don't care, I don't even cut and paste them to the list and they have no relevance until they are commissioned.

We USED TO be interested in things like this to add some flavour to the future years covered by the OOB's but I'm fed up with creating Icons for things that never see the light of day and then having to pull them from the OOB's.




Don

[dmnt]

Originally Posted by dmnt

I have the Helsingin Sanomat news article which provides some in-depth information:

Vehicles

The Sisu NA-140 will be replaced with Bv 206's from Norway if Norway will sell them enough. First test batch has been received already.

Bv 206's (There was a test batch of 10 units) have been accepted and they will enter service at the change of the year. The NA-140's are to be sold by 2017.

There was a longer article in the printed version, which stated that the units are shipped in December 2012 and they're going to start using them from 2013 onwards.

BV 206 at FDF page

Helsingin Sanomat news article

Finnish Army to replace tracked vehicles with Norwegian ones
21.11.2012 16:17 15
STT

The Finnish Defence Forces is to replace all domestic build Sisu tracked vehicles with ones bought from Norway.

The Army has signed a contract for 123 used Hägglunds tracked vehicles acquisition of Norway. It also includes a provision for acquiring additional 150 units. The need of the Army is about 400 units in total.

Price is negotiated at EUR 27 000 each. Vehicles have a mileage in average of 4 000 km (2500 miles) and they are according to FDF of excellent condition.

The Finnish Defence Forces says that the BV 206s diesel engines will be significantly cheaper to use than gasoline driven Sisus.

The Sisu vehicles that are used in troop transportation were made ​​in the 1980s. All 250 Sisu units will be phased out gradually by 2017. They will then be sold at auction.

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Units: 035, 036, 037, 043: end date to 12/2017

One thing I am uncertain about is the TOW versions (035,036,037) of Nasus. I know for a fact that the mechanical compability to use TOW missiles wherever you have NSV's exist (the NSV mount used is specifically made compatible), but I have no idea if NA-140 was ever used / planned to be used in this combination. So in theory you could plug the TOW to XA-series APCs as well. The same goes for MD-500 which seems to be equipped with Spike anti-tank missiles.

MLRS issues in Finnish OOB.
I'm getting mixed messages with my google searches on whether Finland has cluster munition ammunition or not.

"The cluster munition rockets (M26) which created a fuss were not in the order" http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/kotimaa.s...2008/02/607129
"M30 is in the inspection."

The most reliable note here is the public parts of the thesis (2009), http://publications.theseus.fi/bitst...pdf?sequence=2
about MLRS storage logistics.
AT-2 (mines), M28 (fire practise use) have been bought and are in storage
M30 (GMLRS) investigated
ATACMS investigated

In 2005-2010 the goal was to train conscripts with AT-2 payloads, in 2011-2016 to get CM/ATACMS payloads and train conscripts with them. There's little if any information on the status of the M30 / ATACMS payloads.

In the absence of better information (we know that before 2011 there was no M30 in Finland) and ATACMS is still in the order phase (http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36...land_12-25.pdf)

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Unit 557 MLRS Platoon, From 1/2011