mI-8 / mI-24 in German Service

FASTBOAT TOUGH · #1 August 8th, 2012, 12:09 PM

Here's your translation...
"The first of twelve Mi-24P came on the 15th of December 1989 to the Geschwader.", Geschwader is the Luftwaffe term for a "Wing" used together a Luftwaffe Wing. So you also above have the date they got them.

Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH · #2 August 9th, 2012, 03:44 AM

Here's a video showing the Hind with Luftwaffe markings/camo scheme being flown. They actually had them until (Checking dates.) sold to Poland and Hungary. Luftwaffe JG 73 flew the MiG-29G (NATO standard.) until ~2004 when they were sold to Poland. JG 73 flew them as an aggressor squadron but was also assigned an air defence role as well. Many of the former DDR aircraft flew with the Luftwaffe for years especially the transport aircraft that filled a deficiency in the Luftwaffe capabilities at the time. Germany just about RESET the MiG-29s to get them to the NATO "G" Standard, Hinds, Transport to even improve the depot level maintenance of the older MiGs they got. All DDR aircraft were serialized, painted and marked into the Luftwaffe system. I suspect the HINDs were used, but I'm still snooping around to find something more solid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DybJDlMqCGw

I'm finding "breadcrumbs" so I'll follow the trail a little longer concerning the HINDs, MiG 29 and later MiG 29G as upgraded along with the larger Transport aircraft are a definite yes. The MiG 24/or 25 (Can't remember now.), MiG-21 & 17 and other aircraft though maintained were either sold off or scraped with no record that I have found to indicate they were actually ever used by the Luftwaffe.
http://www.euro-t-guide.com/See_Coun..._Gatow_3-1.htm

Regards,
Pat

FASTBOAT TOUGH · #3 August 11th, 2012, 04:44 AM

To set the record straight on the DDR fighters that transitioned into the Luftwaffe they would be the MiG-21, 23 & 29 also the export version of the Su- 17UM3/Ex Su-22UM3/UM3K (FITTER-G) primarily used as a trainer and also the final version Su-17M4/Ex Su-22M4 (FITTER K). Don't know if they processed the Recon Su-22M4R.
Sorry for any confusion, I'll blame it on catching up on the OGs after work!?!

Now to figure out what to blame it on when I start submitting the Patch Posts, but it'll have to be good though!?!

Found none of these jets (Except the MiG-29) in Luftwaffen colors on the net to include museums in country.
But here's a pic of a DDR Su-22M4 taken on 3/10/2011 @ Luftfmuseum in Rothenburg Germany...

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Well I'm off to bed before another fun filled day at the "office", I hope you all have a great weekend!

Regards,
Pat

Pibwl · #4 August 11th, 2012, 07:48 AM

After a several-year service in Germany, MiG-29s were sold to Poland, for a reasonable price of 1 Euro

FASTBOAT TOUGH · #5 August 13th, 2012, 02:47 AM

Alright German reunification is officially marked on Oct. 3 1990 after the DDR signed treaties with W. Germany and a separate one with England, France, Russia and the U.S. as required by treaty after WWII. We know the DDR NVA transport planes and LSK/LV MiG-29
(MiG-29G until Dec. 2003.) were fully operational w/Luftwaffe. As it turns out from the below source and others the DDR flew both the Hind D/P models. We have proof the Luftwaffe evaluated the Hind P. I now suspect the following...though as already noted all DDR equipment was fully integrated into German Bundeswehr, that the older MiGs and Hind D (Hungary I believe.) models were sold off/displayed/or scrapped. But Poland didn't get the Hind P until mid '92 it appears so far, though still checking. It doesn't take that long to do a flight eval. So the bottom line for the Hind P is and under the circumstances of the reunification (Trained Flight & Maint. crews, manuals, spare parts etc.) there is a definite window of opportunity that the Luftwaffe had these available if needed for border or combat patrols. I hope to get some answers from the below source and am awaiting activation of my account to do so. Along with getting permission to use these pictures if needed here for the DDR OOB as they are of excellent quality. Refing the thread in question/Pg. 4 as it touches on the 91/92 Hind P Luftwaffe use. This is worth it just for the DDR in flight pics alone throughout the thread as I couldn't find any good ones on Bing or Google.
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=mig-29&page=4
These guys seem "serious" (Sounds familiar!?!) and might provide some useful info from the Wehrmacht, DDR to present.

Regards,
Pat

Pibwl · #6 August 14th, 2012, 11:21 AM

As I've written in a beginning, Poland got Mi-24D (only) in 1995 and Hungary as well or slightly before.

Michal.

BTW: if you're in this forum, ask if they used 80mm or 122 mm rockets under Mi-24.

FASTBOAT TOUGH · #7 August 19th, 2012, 11:36 PM

For those that are interested, earlier this evening I asked the key questions that might have some impact on both the East Germany and Germany OOB's. Link provided below so as not to violate any one's possible Forum rules. By way of info RAMJET/Steve was a MiG-29 pilot for both the Luftverteidigung/Luftwaffe after unification. I won't be hard to find, currently on Pg. 7.
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=354756
Have a great week!

Regards,
Pat