Italy OOB 34 corrections/suggestions (v.8.1)

[Pibwl]

465 Cannone 155L39 - photo shows US M2 Long Tom, but it should be 155/45 (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_155_mm_Long_Tom)

467 MGCA M.30 Breda - was there an AA mounting for such a light LMG?... (and with small magazine?) As the earliest AAMG, I'd rather expect heavy Fiat-Revelli Mod. 1914 (what seems to be confirmed by https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat-Revelli_Mod._1914 - unfortunately, no photos in AA configuration)

468 MGCA Breda 13.2 - photo is here https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Breda_mod.31.jpg (it doesn't seem, that 13.2mm Breda was a standard type in ground army...)

474 Romeo Cingolato - it should be rather Breda 61 semicingolato - https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_61

The other halftrack model was Fiat 727, which dffered from German ones, but only a few were made https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_727

476 AS-37 - same remarks as unit 421

492,493 Fiat SPA 611/34, 611/35 - it was just Fiat 611 https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_611_%28autoblindo%29
http://www.italie1935-45.com/regio-e...m/281-fiat-611
Size should be 4 - it was huge.

492 should be armed with 3 single MGs only - two single ones in a turret and one at the back.
493 might be designated Fiat 611 37/40 indicating the gun, and it should be armed with #14 Vickers-Terni 37/40 (now 47mm), single 6.5mm MG at the turret's rear and the second one at the back. Gun ammo was 50 rounds (there should be more AP). Definitely the gun and MG could not shoot at one target at the same time (in both cars, usage of rear hull MG must have been rare).
Winter icon could be 4448

499 Fiat 2000 - it had single 6.5mm MGs (there existed only single versions of 6.5mm MG).
Used until 1934 only https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_2000

500 CV-35 [20], 503 CV-38 [20], 504 CV-38 CC - there's no info about trials of fitting tankettes with 20mm guns, apart from a probably single vehicle used during the Spanish Civil War. Only from late 1940 they started to be armed with Solothurn gun (represented already by unit #32) - and surely 20mm-armed tankettes weren't produced in any series before that date. IMO they should be removed.

501 CV-35 [37] - there's no info about tankettes armed with 37mm guns - and surely they were not produced in any series.

502 CV-38 - "it was not until mid-1942 when Ansaldo started modifying 200 tankettes with the new suspension" (Squadron/Signal book)

505 CV-38/Brixia - a photo is on a page http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index....page__st__2680

506 CV-38 [13.2] - actually, a few tankettes were fitted with 13.2mm MG only from 1941 (or late 1940 - Squadron/Signal book).
They and 20-mm armed ones weren't numerous and could be treated as a separate category, to avoid platoons consisting all of modified tankettes.

[Pibwl]

508 L 6/40 CA - I can find no info about alleged L 6/40 with AAMG (instead of CMG?..), also there are no photos with AAMG on a turret.
According to http://www.italie1935-45.com/regio-e...tem/289-l-6-40 , delivered from 5/41 (now 3/41). But first were delivered to cavalry school, and they were shipped to Africa only in 12/41.

509 L 6/40 [37] - no sign of such tank with 37mm gun, apart from early prototypes, but they had short 37/26...

510,511 AB Coloniale - it's not clear what they're supposed to be. Photo is Belgian Ford/M-H 91Y armoured tractor. If we mean obsolete armoured cars, that were used away from main theatre, it can possibly be only Eastern Africa - and Fiat 611 and Lancia 1ZM were used there. A nice colonial car could be also http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat-Terni_Tripoli (btw, according to this page, they were initially armed with 6.5mm MG, but during the war they were rearmed with 12.7mm AAMG in an open turret). So, maybe after an advent of AB-40, older armoured cars should be available as colonial cars only? In case of Lancia 1ZM it would be until 1943 (on islands).

There is no sign of armoured gun-armed trucks in Italian army, moreover, used in far colonies instead of main theatre. There could be used ordinary gun-armed trucks instead, described earlier. ("In Eritrea, an unspecified number of 65/17 guns were mounted on Fiat 634 trucks" - Italian Truck-Mounted Artillery in action)

515 Guzzi Trasporto - photo is in fact Belgian FN - there are Italian ones here: http://www.italie1935-45.com/regio-e...guzzi-alce-500 name could be changed to Guzzi TriAlce https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_Guzzi_TriAlce
It was produced from 1940 (now 1/39)

524 Corazzata BB - the Italians used 305mm guns only until around 1937/38 (beginning of refit of Andrea Doria class)

525 Corazzata BB - photo should be 704 or 2004 - now it's probably 381mm (at least used as such by #523 unit)

564 Centro Radia OA - more appropriate as FO vehicle seems Carro Commando L40, built upon Semovente 47. It was turretless, open-top, armed with 8mm BMG (concealed as a gun). Icon would be of Semovente 1900/1901. Centro Radia command tanks had no AAMG anyway.

566 Carro M.41 OA, 567,715 SMV M.42 OA - seems, that both are in fact the same Carro Commando M.41. Proper photo is 16150 on the other hand. It was armed with single 13.2mm Breda (there was no twin 13.2mm BMG) and AAMG Breda 38 (Squadron/Signal book)


That's all.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

That's all.

I'm going to hold you to that promise. I have quite enough to do as it is