British Forces since 2000

DRG · #1 February 17th, 2016, 10:30 PM

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/challenger2

"The maximum speed by road is 59km/h and 40km/h cross country"

59 / 3 = 19.66666666666667 = 20 rounded up...same procedure for any vehicle

so by that source it's slow by one........ not something likely to stand out in game play but I will confirm that info and make the change if it's justified.

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/challenger_2.htm

Maximum road speed

56 km/h

56/3= 18.66666666666667 = 19 which is what's in the game now so I guess it depends on the source

FASTBOAT TOUGH · #2 February 18th, 2016, 03:06 AM

Maybe the following will be of some use though it appears the speed is about right @ 59kph(37mph)/40kph(25mph) from the following refs. Some speed sacrificed in the name of protection not too bad a trade off. But the difference is obvious in the power plant, it's not a turbine driven engine. As a side note the "E" model had a significant electronics upgrade to include the gunners stabilized sight w/LR with a range of 200m -10,000m (660ft. - 6.2mi.) that's pretty darn good. I was thinking the "TES" would be the right candidate for the expanded TI/GSR 50 originally, but I believe the newer "E" model is w/o a doubt the best choice, though as the game currently stands it would be the earliest to achieve the mark by almost 5 yrs. with the LECLERC not very far behind. Anyway...
http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/23236.aspx
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/mo...allenger-2.php

Regards,
Pat

IronDuke99 · #3 February 18th, 2016, 10:11 PM

There has been some recent talk around in some, generally non Tanker, sections of the British Army about Challenger 2 getting long in the tooth.

In fact it probably still has the best armour of any MTB. The 120mm rifled gun is also still fine, although ammo stocks are now limited (although some new rounds seem have been made in Belgium for the gun) The upgrade for Challenger 2 will include looking at sourcing new ammo stocks.

Challenger 2 lacks an active anti-tank missile defence (something like the Trophy system used by Israel) but this probably could be fitted in an upgrade. It would certainly be worth it if it is to remain in service out to 2035.

After that the smart money seems to be on UK getting involved with the USA or, perhaps, Germany for an ultimate replacement.

With regard to speed 59 kmh seems right. It is commonly said that Warrior IFV's have had problems keeping up with both Challenger and Challenger 2 off road.

IronDuke99 · #4 February 19th, 2016, 12:38 AM

FRES/Ajax.

Ajax along with Ares (APC) and Athena (command) Apollo, Atlas and Argus (assorted engineer types) will replace most of the CVR(T) types (but not Stormer) starting in 2017.

Ajax will carry a 40mm auto gun (as will be used on Warrior 2000) while the APC's will lack a turret but be able to carry about four men each, besides crew.

The British Army is keen to get 8x8 wheeled vehicles for the new planned 'Strike Brigades' but there is nothing firm on what vehicle they will buy (French, US or German most likely) or when...

IronDuke99 · #5 February 19th, 2016, 02:28 AM

RAF transport aircraft: The eventual fixed wing transport force will be

8 C17 Globmaster
14 C130J Super Hercules
22 A400M Atlas

Both the Super Hercules and Atlas will be able to drop paras.