Soviet OOB 11: miscellaneous observations

DRG · #1 December 19th, 2017, 10:26 AM

Only arty in the off map classes can CB....there could be on map pieces that have >200 range but they do not CB

Don

Pibwl · #2 December 19th, 2017, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DRG

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Originally Posted by Griefbringer

a.) Unit 358 (T-26TU M1932) is armed with a long-barrelled 37 mm gun, with an ammo load of 160 HE rounds, 62 sabot rounds and 0 AP rounds. I presume that this is an accidental carry-over from unit 176 (T-26TU M1931), which is armed with a short-barreled 37 mm gun. Thus, maybe the sabot rounds (or at least most of them) on unit 358 should be replaced with regular AP ammo.

a/ did you bother to review the "sabot" weapon stats for the weapon Unit 358 uses ?? There is a significant improvement on range and penetration over the one used for unit 176 so I see no reason to change that unit, Unless someone produces proof I can confirm It represents AP ammo that did not have the effective range of it's HE ammo and that is.........( I assume.....am I expected to remember every detail of every unit added to these games ??)..... why it's been set up like that. As stated in the game guide " sabot" can also represent AP ammo that does not have the effective range of it's HE ammo but ..OF COURSE that now opens up a new can-o-worms with any other unit that uses that weapon......

Sorry to butt in, but it might be an error indeed, easy to fix. The only other unit to use long-bareel #14 37mm L46 B-3 is #114 BT-2, which has ordinary AP ammo only, and there's no reason why T-26 should have sabot. A performance of "sabot" in this gun is excellent - penetration 7 @20 hexes - better than long US 37mm. Therefore I believe it should be ordinary AP (with average value pen = 5).

BTW: there were few T-26 with B-3 gun - some 20-30 according to Kolomiets. Ordinary gun-armed twin-turret T-26 (#176) was also rarer - some 450 per 1627 twin-turret tanks, what could be reflected in rarity code.

BTW2: L/20 tank gun #12 37mm PP obr.15R is always referred to as "Hotchkiss gun" or "Hotchkiss PS" in Russian sources. Apparently the barrel length was unchanged comparing with the French one, however it got a different recoil mechanism (adapted from not-produced PS-1 gun, which was also supposed to get new barrel and stronger ammo, according to M. Svirin).
It could be renamed, since, as I wrote before, obr.15 Rosenberg infantry gun (a different Russian L/19 design) wasn't used anymore in the 1930s.