Info: Germany’s Leopard Tanks Prove Vulnerable

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This " proves" nothing that couldn't have been "proven" by the game for nearly a couple of decades. Maybe it "proves" experts just like to be quoted as being "experts".( or that the Russian like to play mind games with the gullible..... ) There is nothing earth-shattering about this new "revelation" It's one reason armour was beefed up on subsequent version of the Leo 2 and why most nations that buy surplus old 2A4's upgrade them BEFORE sending them into battle.

The ONLY way to hit "the vulnerable ammunition compartment" of a Leo 2a4 is with a side turret hit. The side turret "HEAT "armour in game for a Leo 2a4 is 42 ----------the HEAT penetration of a 9M111 Fagot is 40 but the BEST HEAT PENETRATION the game can give is 55 for a 9M111 Fagot and 55 is bigger than 42 and therefore a side turret hit of a 2A4 with a 9M111 Fagot DOES INDEED have the capability of penetrating the side turret armour of a 2A4. Anyone could have set that test up in this game long before anyone had heard of ISIS/ISIL OR before Turkey bought used 2A4's and sent them into battle without armour upgrades



What the more honest commentators will admit is that the 2a4 was not designed to deal with the type of threat environment the Turks putting it into where an enemy can pop up from anyplace and launch a missile into the side of the tank.

So all the hand-wringing that's been going on over this is a big yawn really..... maybe all it proves is the Turks need better infantry screens to protect their tanks better. but really ........this is NOTHING that hasn't been proven about other tanks during the conflict in Syria. Maybe all it proves is the Turks bought into the fantasy that the leo 2 was invulnerable which is certainly is not....but neither is a T-90

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The LEOPARD 2A4 was designed to defeat Soviet tanks. For their part, the Soviets countered with the T-80. The 5th batch of the LEOPARD 2 series would be the one designated 2A4 and went into production between DEC 85 & MAR 87 w/370 UNITS delivered. The major improvement over the LEOPARD 2A1/2A3 was the increase in turret armor of 700mm for KE and 1000mm for HEAT rounds.
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/leo2.htm

Got to have the troops, so they can protect the tanks and hold the ground, while the tanks protect the troops well, against the tanks!
It's just a vicious cycle. Which leads me to...

This is why Turkey is slowly if reluctantly going to revive the LEOPARD-2T as already posted along with other armor improvements. To possibly include more M-60T conversions (IMI has about 150 packages stored from when Turkey backed off on it's commitment to upgrade 300 tanks to the M-60T.) Partly due to the fact the ALTAY as of this week will be delayed further.

Also back in Dec. 2017 or just before that, the USA was approached by Rheintall on a possible joint project concerning the an APS for their LEOPARDS in conjunction with the USA's decision to arm the ABRAMS M1 with the TROPHY System by 2020 or sooner. JANE's reported they would be put on the ABRAMS M1A2 SEP V3.

All armor for the 2nd BCT in Europe will receive priority on the install of these systems.

The USA has made it's decision as follows ABRAMS/TROPHY by 2020, BRADLEY/IRON FIST and the STRKER/IRON CURTAIN to follow shortly after the TROPHY install.

Will post it in the MBT Thread. Along with a revised date for the ALTAY with supporting refs.

This all goes to prove one thing, every army in the world needs to purchase the CD version of the game for advanced combat training, or at a minimum, consult with us first!!

I'll have more on this hopefully by later this evening or Monday.

Celebrating "V-Day" early since I have to work that day.

I better get to bed so I can stay awake for it all.

Regards,
Pat

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

This is why Turkey is slowly if reluctantly going to revive the LEOPARD-2T as already posted along with other armor improvements. To possibly include more M-60T conversions (IMI has about 150 packages stored from when Turkey backed off on it's commitment to upgrade 300 tanks to the M-60T.) Partly due to the fact the ALTAY as of this week will be delayed further.

.....and this may all be " palace intrigue "... one faction wants to to do this the right way and upgrade to modern standards ( as they have shown they are capable of doing with the M60T ) and another faction that is dominate ATM just thinks what they have will do the trick.......it won't and if they continue handling this the way they have been then there will be more similar reports.......it doesn't damn the 2A4 as much as the "leadership" that is sending 1980's era tanks into a modern chaotic battle environment without modern armour upgrades.

The bottom line is those 2A4's should never have been sent in without the upgrades similar to the 2a4MCAN......and I'm betting there are Turk commanders now saying " I TOLD you so !"