Off topic: How are games failing you?

[Tifone]

@ Agema - Tnx, I heard some time ago about Wizardry 8 being good but I forgot about it. I'll give a look around for it

[Aezeal]

Jim: sounds like you just needed to take up a weapon and some BASIC potions and then use your good skills (the potions) to increase the weak skills.. cus alchemy certainly could balance out a below average combat skill.

at the same time do some combat magic, throw fires when they are at a distace and fight up close buffed with potions.. your comabt magic and sword skill should rise

llama: I think most systems can be abused but really I'd not count it against the game. It's SP so it's not like we will be bothered by others leveling like that. and we (by the gods I hope you are with me on this at least) wouldn't play that way because it makes really no sense at all and wouldn't increase the fun we'd have. I couldn't care less. I do want a new RPG though.

[Aezeal]

PS the witcher is a nice game too. not so much for the choices you have (it's rather limited really) but the world is nice and the combat system decent and the story is good.. well addictive at least.. and you are just a very very very kewl guy. Almost like RP myself.

[llamabeast]

Aezeal: yeah, you're kind of right about the fact that the system being abusable doesn't matter too much in SP. However, although I'm hardly a min-maxer I do like to think about what decisions would be best for my character, and it bothers me that the best decisions are very different to what would be reasonable decisions "in real life".

[Aezeal]

Llama, getting a melee weapon skill, magic damage and healing spells is a pretty decent decision for any adventurer and it's also one of the better options in Oblivion

Rdonj, try the warhammer 40K dawn of war games.. much less focus on base builing (the upcoming part 2 even less I hear) and more on units and taking territory. Also a very nice setting, some rpg feel (for RTS with leveling troops and commanders etc). From the same makers there is that WW II game which is very good too.. taking points on the map for unit caps etc is a good idea and used much more these days.

[llamabeast]

Yeah Aezeal, but I don't like the fact that I'm better off avoiding levelling up, and that I shouldn't choose as Major Skills the things that I want to be best at. It's not good that I have to be careful not to get too good at a particular thing, e.g. levelling lots due to alchemy when I haven't got that good at fighting yet.

It's still a great game in many ways, but the levelling design is startlingly bad to my mind.

[Trumanator]

@ capnq- Yeah, give Company of Heroes a shot, or the DoW games. Compared to the likes of starcraft there is a lot less micro, and it is all focused on action rather than resource gathering or base building.

[Aezeal]

leveling 1-2 skills doesn't matter THAT much llama and your not better of doing that trick you said CUZ IT'S LAME and will certainly not make the game more enjoyable
Even with a lil catching up to do you can still clear some ruins and then you will be fine .

Well not going to continue this further though since I doubt you'll start oblivion again and I know I'm not (played the game, did most dungeons, nearly all quests and the DLC packs, not the real add ons but I can't be bothered by it. once I know the story it's not as fun anymore.. can't play games much more than once really if they are about the story (and most RPG's for me are about the story )

[Trumanator]

Personally I've never really played any DoW multiplayer, only CoH (it is Relic). I just wasn't as into the whole sci-fi setting, and after my experience with CoH I can't imagine how anyone could possibly balance out that many factions.

[Aezeal]

Rdonj: you do have to do SOMETHING yourself or it's a movie and not a game

I've not played DoW MP.. I just liked it as SP.