Bogarus Quick Guide - Page 8

chrispedersen · #71 April 21st, 2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by P3D

You don't need Khysts to get curse.
There's that lvl 0 summoned hag for 2 death gem which has a Curse special attack.

More anti-SC stuff
There's also an ethereal troop for a single air gem, which has Attack skill 21 with a Plague Scythe doing 19 damage. They are unfortunately fragile and you can only summon them one by one - and by D random starets only (A1D1).

The Zmey (fire dragon) summon is actually nice. Flying 45HP, 13prot, 3xbite+breath, for a mere 3 fire gems. Problem is being cold blooded comes with 10 Encumbrance in cold-3.

p3 do I remember right that you were into modding?

If so, I'd like to see someone write a small mod to fix the weapons on the zmey.. as others have mentioned they *never* use them.

Endoperez · #72 April 22nd, 2009, 03:52 AM

What is that? How don't they work?

EDIT: nevermind, I found this:

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Bug: Zmey dragon has a fire breath with range of str, but *never* fires it.

fungalreason · #73 April 22nd, 2009, 02:16 PM

It's a problem with any ranged unit that has flying, I think. (I learned not leave boots of flying on mages with bows in another game).

What I think happens is: whenever a range unit determines that it's out of range of something it attempts to move forward until something is in range. If they fly, they move immediately to the front lines and get engaged in melee. Since the Zmey have a short range to begin with, it's rare that they'll have something to shoot at on the first turn of the battle. I haven't specifically tested it with them, but I'm guessing they just fly to the front and use normal attacks if you set them to "fire closest"?

Redeyes · #74 April 22nd, 2009, 02:30 PM

But Caelian archers behave correctly if you set them to fire?
They have both melee and bows, so I don't think there's any automatic problem with the combo.

chrispedersen · #75 April 22nd, 2009, 02:31 PM

Good observation fungal.

But I can add a few more data points.

A. Zmeys, even if they can't fly due to Staff of storms, (I thought I would get clever) still don't fire.
B. Zmeys, even if set on body guard, with a unit plainly in range (attacking a nearby unit) don't fire.

In fact, as I said in the original - I haven't been able to get them to fire under any circumstances.

Can others confirm the question about flying mages with bows? Can we get it added to the buglist or faq?

JimMorrison · #76 April 22nd, 2009, 02:56 PM

All ranged units that I have seen, that have Flying, refuse to fly while given Fire orders. Caelians are a perfect case in point.

Dragons are another good example.

Endoperez · #77 April 23rd, 2009, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by chrispedersen

A. Zmeys, even if they can't fly due to Staff of storms, (I thought I would get clever) still don't fire.
B. Zmeys, even if set on body guard, with a unit plainly in range (attacking a nearby unit) don't fire.

Bodyguards NEVER fire. EDIT: unless they're humans guarding Abysians. They they fire, but only in the "ooh, who's cooking?" sense.

Dragons set to Fire will walk forward until an enemy is in range.
I would think that the Zmey try to do the same, but for some reason never get close enough to fire. It might be due to moving very slowly when not flying, and/or their strength and thus range not being very high.

Reay · #78 April 23rd, 2009, 03:07 AM

I have seen the Zmey use fire breath a few times in CBM. My enemy Wokeye would have seen them too. The range is strength / 2. so about 8 squares?

I thought bodygaurds do not fire their ranged weapons? Although I could be mistaken.

rdonj · #79 April 23rd, 2009, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Endoperez

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Originally Posted by chrispedersen

A. Zmeys, even if they can't fly due to Staff of storms, (I thought I would get clever) still don't fire.
B. Zmeys, even if set on body guard, with a unit plainly in range (attacking a nearby unit) don't fire.

Bodyguards NEVER fire. EDIT: unless they're humans guarding Abysians. They they fire, but only in the "ooh, who's cooking?" sense.

This is not 100% true. I have seen the lions summoned by the manifest vitriol spell fire while on guard commander orders. Of course, this was during an assassination attempt so that is probably why. In normal combat no, I'm pretty sure nothing uses its ranged weapon while on guard orders.

Endoperez · #80 April 23rd, 2009, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rdonj

This is not 100% true. I have seen the lions summoned by the manifest vitriol spell fire while on guard commander orders. Of course, this was during an assassination attempt so that is probably why. In normal combat no, I'm pretty sure nothing uses its ranged weapon while on guard orders.

Thanks, I had totally forgotten that.