What happened to the AI?

Loren · #1 June 15th, 2008, 05:55 PM

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dirtywick said:
A random event could have called knights to their home province, and they were sieged and couldn't break it. I've seen that before.

Except they owned a province for a long time. Something of this sort was my first thought but it's not consistent with the graphs--they *DID* own their province for years.

Endoperez · #2 June 16th, 2008, 02:26 AM

They owned the province because they had the castle, I think. You can't win wars without storming all the forts you are sieging.

JimMorrison · #3 June 16th, 2008, 04:01 AM

I was under the impression that the score graphs will show you as losing a province, when you are besieged (or gaining one when you initiate a siege. Could be wrong, but I'd swear that's the behavior I observed.

Endoperez · #4 June 16th, 2008, 10:03 AM

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JimMorrison said:
I was under the impression that the score graphs will show you as losing a province, when you are besieged (or gaining one when you initiate a siege. Could be wrong, but I'd swear that's the behavior I observed.

Could be. I'm not that clear on it, to tell the truth. I mainly play SP, and rarely long enough to conquer an AI's castle.

Edratman · #5 June 16th, 2008, 10:03 AM

I suspect that the AI nation got an invasion on the first or second turn. I've seen it two or three times to the AI and had it happen to me once. When it happened to me I had bad settings. From that occurance, I guess that the same thing happened to the AI. I remember one time when the AI was stuck at one province they were under the knight siege when I got to the province.

Both the knight and barbarian events are too strong for starting armies to relieve the siege.

I like the chance that bad things can happen on the first turn. Unpredictability is one of the charms of the game. Pretty much everyone has learned to recruit a mage the first turn with bad scales because of the lab destroyed event.

VedalkenBear · #6 June 16th, 2008, 09:01 PM

I'll note that I quite often take Luck-3. I also play with CBM routinely, which IIRC increases the probability of events being 'good' with Luck-3 to 95% (from 90%). And I _still_ have gotten labs burned down or temples hit by earthquakes in the first 3 turns.

However, since I play SP, I can simply start a new game with the same parameters if I don't feel like suffering from that handicap.

I also play nations with fortunetellers a lot to more or less guarantee good events in those provinces.

Yeah, I don't like bad events. However, barring an option to out-and-out remove all random events from the game (with the attendant nulling of the Luck scale), I have no issue with the current system.

Loren · #7 June 16th, 2008, 10:16 PM

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Edratman said:
I suspect that the AI nation got an invasion on the first or second turn. I've seen it two or three times to the AI and had it happen to me once. When it happened to me I had bad settings. From that occurance, I guess that the same thing happened to the AI. I remember one time when the AI was stuck at one province they were under the knight siege when I got to the province.

Both the knight and barbarian events are too strong for starting armies to relieve the siege.

I like the chance that bad things can happen on the first turn. Unpredictability is one of the charms of the game. Pretty much everyone has learned to recruit a mage the first turn with bad scales because of the lab destroyed event.

But that would have shown as the loss of the province early on. That's not what happened, though.

Edratman · #8 June 17th, 2008, 04:32 PM

I do not remember exactly what the score graph showed when I encountered it. I know the nation was low, but the graphs are not large enough to read much better than that.

And when a castle is besieged, ownership is not really decided in some game terms. Although the beseiger is nominally the owner, neither side can recruit in the province. The castle still owns the lab and can research and summon. I don't know who gets the gems, but I think it goes to the castle. The besieger gets the taxes. So it is possible for the graph not to reflect besieging, specially when the siege drops the number of provinces to zero, but the god is still alive.

Loren · #9 June 18th, 2008, 01:00 AM

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Edratman said:
I do not remember exactly what the score graph showed when I encountered it. I know the nation was low, but the graphs are not large enough to read much better than that.

And when a castle is besieged, ownership is not really decided in some game terms. Although the beseiger is nominally the owner, neither side can recruit in the province. The castle still owns the lab and can research and summon. I don't know who gets the gems, but I think it goes to the castle. The besieger gets the taxes. So it is possible for the graph not to reflect besieging, specially when the siege drops the number of provinces to zero, but the god is still alive.

But going from 1 to zero should have been clear in the graph. It did happen but long afterwards.

silhouette · #10 June 18th, 2008, 02:27 AM

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Loren said:
But going from 1 to zero should have been clear in the graph. It did happen but long afterwards.

Probably just a coincidence of actions that makes it look like that. For example, the AI sent its initial army and took a capital-adjacent province with very heavy losses, and on the same turn a indep. event sieged their capital. That could leave them with 1 province still, but very low income and low ability to recruit for a looong time, making them easy pickings later. Did they finally die from another AI, or from dominion death, or ?

Sill