spell questions: Breath of Winter, Communion M/S

[Zooko]

New Communion question. When my Communion Master cast Body Ethereal, he became ethereal but the Communion Slaves didn't. I guess this is because Body Ethereal isn't "Area of effect: caster" ? Likewise, he could cast Personal Luck and thus help the Communion Slaves, but not Luck. Am I right?

[Endoperez]

Yes, you are right: spells which target the caster affect the slaves too. I do not recall if Immolation worked at all, but it might be worth trying... Especially if coupled with Phoenix Pyre (if *that* works, that is )! Hmm, you could get rid of fatique by Earthpower, Earth blessing and Relief... Pity the Relief-caster will probably start casting Barkskins/Protections.

Not sure about the sword, I would gave saud that only the fire damage is considered magic but it doesn't seem to work with the answers of this thread... Good point with that.

[Taqwus]

Phoenix Pyre does indeed work on the communicants, but be warned that the results can be EXTREMELY ugly if your army is not entirely fire-immune.

[Kristoffer O]

I think Phoenix pyre works.

[Zooko]

So what *should* work is anything with "Area of Effect: Caster", and what should not work is anything with "Area of Effect: something other than Caster". Right?

[Endoperez]

Right.

[Zen]

Phoenix Pyre affects everything, even those fire immune. So you can't protect yourself really from it except with Phoenix Pyre or high regeneration/life drain.

Exploding communicants/slaves are particularly effective against anything that spams summons of any vareity. As long as you have a relief caster you can, for the most part, tire any SC/Army out except those with life drain.

[Endoperez]

Oh... Sabbath Master and Slave would work too, right? And Vampire Counts/Lords have Blood, and are immortal... Using WAE+FD pretender Black Forest Ulm could use Alteration buffs up to 4 or 5 and Ehterealize their units, and after level 7 and some Skulls of Fire + random picks... SP stuff, but could be fun!

[archaeolept]

i'm not sure what you're suggesting endoperez.

sabbath master/slave is currently not that useful. i don't see how immortality fits in w/ the discussion??? or why you are interested in skulls of fire

sabbath slave gives 100 fatigue, which makes it not so useful for phoenix pyre, unless you have a relief caster as well. not to mention micromanaging all the communion slaves.

[Endoperez]

archaeolept

sabbath slave gives 100 fatigue,

Oh, that's true... Damn. Reinvigoration doesn't work, does it?

I didn't realize Vampires would go unconcious at the first moment. I thought that I would be able to fly/stealth group of them to a nice position in positive dominion, then attack. If I somehow got *anyone* with atleast one fire and either blood or astral I could make him lead communion, and with Skull he would be able to cast Phoenix Pyre. I quessed they all would most probably die, so I would just give them some slaves while they fly out of the citadel to meet another flaming death...

Skulls wouldn't have been very good choice, though, as I now realize a single fire gem would be enough. It would have been nice to set up some major carnage with Vampire Counts exploding all over the battlefield, but it would only have been some strange single-player fun. I think those Counts would become feebleminded quite fast...