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January 31st, 2005, 06:58 PM
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Re: An old Newbie ;)
No, the fatherland file is not required to cheat. A lot of the order
verification is done in the client, and the server accepts it on faith.
It is relatively simple to find where in the .2h file the orders are, and hexedit
a simple 'Defend' into 'Build Temple' for example. By the way, wanna be
cheaters, this particular example will trigger the cheat detection.
This is the reason for which I only play games with master password on,
and most of the time keep a copy of my own turns.
As for the 'Guess who Norfleet is' game, I play it myself. No luck so far.
My current guess is 'alexti'... this should be taken as the compliment it is.
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January 31st, 2005, 07:02 PM
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Re: An old Newbie ;)
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Tuidjy said:
No, the fatherland file is not required to cheat. A lot of the order
verification is done in the client, and the server accepts it on faith.
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Quite correct. There is however some level of detection right now. But I fear until all verification is done by the server that holes will exist.
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January 31st, 2005, 11:54 PM
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Re: An old Newbie ;)
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My current guess is 'alexti'... this should be taken as the compliment it is.
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I thought about crying out that it's not true, but then I've noticed that I have no proof. Yeah, I was on the forums concurrently with Norfleet for few months, I have played few games vs him, but such a shrewd person as Norflett (or me  ) could foresee the circumstances and maintain 2 identities and play games as 2 persons... Come to think, I can't even be sure that Norfleet has not created multiple identities and all the people on this forum are just different Norfleet's identities 
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February 1st, 2005, 07:22 AM
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Re: An old Newbie ;)
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Come to think, I can't even be sure that Norfleet has not created multiple identities and all the people on this forum are just different Norfleet's identities
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Oh, I cannot name the posts, but that idea has been around before. Yeah, we're all Norfleet and this is just a great trap for you. But you are Norfleet as well!  (and I am being called paranoid by my friends, great!) No, please, stop it!
By the way, I wish for another command-option for Dom3: witch-hunting!!! I think Dom2 is seriously lacking this glorious piece of mankind's history. It should cause unrest, kill population, reduce blood-hunt-possibilties for a couple of turns and have a slightly increased chance to detect any hiding stealthy female mage commander which has at least one affliction that makes her sticking out of the crowd. Oh, and there should be a good chance that a random friendly commander of any class and gender is burned at the stake as well (sort of the disband-option that everyone is wishing for, but just random)... 
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February 2nd, 2005, 12:11 AM
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Re: An old Newbie ;)
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alexti said:
Come to think, I can't even be sure that Norfleet has not created multiple identities and all the people on this forum are just different Norfleet's identities
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Oh, I cannot name the posts, but that idea has been around before. Yeah, we're all Norfleet and this is just a great trap for you. But you are Norfleet as well! (and I am being called paranoid by my friends, great!) No, please, stop it!
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Perhaps you're referring to an ancient thread I started, entitled OT: An Existential Problem. If you take it to the extreme, every cyber-entity with which you have contact could derive from a single sapient source which, for want of a better word, we may call "Norfleet".
Gandalf tried to be helpful by bringing up the idea of using IP logs to differentiate. But that's exactly the kind of thing Norfleet would do 
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February 1st, 2005, 12:55 PM
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Re: An old Newbie ;)
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No, the fatherland file is not required to cheat. [...]
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*Grumbles* Annoying that. Thanks for the notice! I keep all the files from the games I host, but that may be more important than I had initially thought. Hmm...
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