horror mark on pretender

Meglobob · #1 October 16th, 2006, 04:33 PM

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Kristoffer O said:
> However, while most of those attacks were made by Lesser Horrors, there was only one attack by a normal Horror, and many more attacks by unique Horrors. It seems to me that the unique horrors' attacks are a bit too common compared to attacks of normal Horrors. I got at least Eater of Dreams, Hunter of Heroes and Slave to Unreason.

There has been a nerf on the doom horror chance, but I believe it might need an additional reduction.

Given the lvl of spell, Thau 1 and caster, S2. Should'nt this spell just be capable of just summoning lesser horrors? With perhaps a very high level one, capable of doing exactly what this is doing now?

Esben Mose Hansen · #2 October 16th, 2006, 05:33 PM

For the record, I think that horror mark is exactly the SC counter I have always wished for. The counter-counter is simply to bring along an army of sorts, which I always felt should be what is required, making SC a part of an army, not a one-man army.

It may be a bit harsh on the SC pretenders... but I'm sure they will adjust. Or learn to carry magebane, a bodyguard or whatever it takes. So I don't think this should be nerfed too much.

KissBlade · #3 October 16th, 2006, 05:43 PM

Most SC's can be beaten anyway by a similar gem investment or just simply evocation mages. Horror Mark is just way too silly and effective for it's current price. And also, it'll usually target the SC ANYWAY when it's part of an army making it more effective to bring just the SC since at least then you won't have a chance of the army routing before the SC does some damage. The thought that a simple low level thaum s2 spell can make a pretender completely useless (since it's not really worth calling it back when it's just going to die anyway and you can cope with the dominion spread ... somehow) is ridiculous. Though I'm somewhat amused at the prospect of sending in chaff + s2 mages to attack random provinces with horror mark x5 retreat or ritual returned ones to kill off some 70 gem investment or pretender that the player spent 300 points + on.

Endoperez · #4 October 17th, 2006, 01:50 AM

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KissBlade said:Though I'm somewhat amused at the prospect of sending in chaff + s2 mages to attack random provinces with horror mark x5 retreat or ritual returned ones to kill off some 70 gem investment or pretender that the player spent 300 points + on.

Are you sure this would work? As I said, I tested this, 5 vs 5 mages both casting Horror Mark five times. It took many turns before anything happened when everyone was under Magic 3 dominion. Many turns, while they were casting Horror Mark on each other every turn. Many turns. When the horrors did attack, they were randomly lesser horror or doom horrors and that is wrong, but that's already been changed. Horror Mark x5 isn't an automatic death sentence any more than Curse!

However, because Horrors cause further Horror Mark, it is also possible that a pretender once killed by a horror has so high a horror mark that he'd be instantly attacked again when he returns. In this case, the problem would be with horrors' attack, but could also be solved by lowering Horror Mark when a pretender is recalled. Low Horror Mark isn't bad. Extremely high Horror Mark is bad. Horror Mark, the spell, doesn't cause extremely high Horror Mark. High-level Evocation Astral Geyser does that.

Nerfix · #5 October 17th, 2006, 06:07 AM

I wonder what would be that best way to see Horrors. Hmmm'e.

tka · #6 October 17th, 2006, 07:16 AM

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Nerfix said:
I wonder what would be that best way to see Horrors. Hmmm'e.

Adding site called The Forgotten City to a map. Enter only with strong commander.

Nerfix · #7 October 17th, 2006, 07:27 AM

The Forgotten City?

tibbs · #8 October 16th, 2006, 06:11 PM

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Esben Mose Hansen said:
For the record, I think that horror mark is exactly the SC counter I have always wished for. The counter-counter is simply to bring along an army of sorts, which I always felt should be what is required, making SC a part of an army, not a one-man army.

It may be a bit harsh on the SC pretenders... but I'm sure they will adjust. Or learn to carry magebane, a bodyguard or whatever it takes. So I don't think this should be nerfed too much.

I agree with Esben, though maybe the way it works could be improved. Does it target certain types of troops first or is it completely random?

SalsaDoom · #9 October 16th, 2006, 08:05 PM

Hi fellas,

I'm definatly not using a magic item that horror marks you, I'm very careful to avoid that stuff. I think that someone has horror marked -me- though, which spreads to my damn pretenders ;P Its amazing the things that happen with random

That first horror, Eater of the Gods was the piddly girly horror compared to the Hunter of the Heroes. I don't recall how to just summon up the stats but he was -way- -way- more badass. I mean, my pretender and his guards got pWNT, and they -did- manage (more luck then anything) to kill the Eater of the Gods. This pleased me muchly ;P Until his bigger pal showed up a few turns later, argh. Someone who knows how should pull up the stats for that guy!

Shovah32 · #10 October 16th, 2006, 08:57 PM

Umors stats (in my minimized game my test pretender is fighting him right now) are:
55 HP
15 Prot
19 MR
20 Strength
22 Attack
12 Defence
Blood Vengance +0
1xCurse Luck
1xLifedrain
4xAstral Claw

So, while umor is weaker (but cooler looking imo) than the hunter of heroes and the eater of dreams he has 4 attacks that add extra horror marks to who-ever he hits (which happens alot with his 22 attack) so, if Umor gets even a single round of attacks vrs your pretender (and with good health, mr and blood vengance he should get atleast one) the horror attacks will just increase and, once your pretender is cursed even horrors and lesser horrors should start stacking afflictions on him.