Stats for a war wagon - suggestion needed

Chacal · #1 September 19th, 2007, 11:52 AM

Sombre,

You have a very intersting idea with that Warhammer wagon, and have found how to fire and move ! For my part i'll probably do two wagons, one clearly defensive with crossbows and a melee attack, and one offensive version with mostly melee weapons and maybe a short range ranged attack with low munitions just like javelins.

I will probably use idea you and Tichy suggest of disabling horses, will do some test.

Mine is for now returning to it's basic form only from form 2 (it has 4) and is eliminated at the end of battle in form 4 ( I consider it's too much damaged, crew is dispersed etc...)

In attachement you may see a very basic version of my full crew wagon, still needs improvements and original horses but it's better than using elephants for tests

Aezeal · #2 September 19th, 2007, 04:02 PM

personally I'm not so much for new races, I usually play games with the races as is.. but a special province which anyone could find

that would not change balance (I have this strange idea the game as is is balanced, I know it's not but it's the balance the makers gave it so it how it was meant to be

, silly me

anyway a "tech" province with warwagons (I'd totally see this a a gnome laboratory (D&D gnomes) creating one strange thing after another (warwagons (in different sizes) and other strange stuff, guns maybe.. yea I'd like that much better than a separate race)

OW and use em as mercs... same reason equal acces to all = always balanced

Cor2 · #3 September 19th, 2007, 04:21 PM

Are you still thinking about killing the horses?
I just ask because it does not seem to fit with dom3 standards. We have lots of mounted units and chariots and of the few that do have 2 forms its always the mount that lives not the rider, regardless of respective armour ratings.

Chacal · #4 September 19th, 2007, 06:45 PM

Good point Cor2,

For now I'm trying both solutions and still not decided, I will probably go with the most playable, fun one, but the point you underline is important as I try to integer the best my litlle mod in the Dom3 world. The fact of not killing horses would also simplify the unit and it's 'readibility' by players.

Aezeal :

I understand your point about straight not modded game, personally I'm developping this mod mostly for my own use cause I would like some east european mythology in the game

. About balancing the races : in fact I don't care too much when a race (or unit) is underpowered, I just don't want it to be too strong. Dom 3 races are not all balanced but after all Dom3 world is not fair and I like it that way.

Autochthon · #5 September 23rd, 2007, 01:48 AM

Well, going off of the Wagenburg used in the Hussite Wars:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagenburg

To start with, I'd have to consider something that large (Size equiv to Elephnant?) to be a Construct. This means it has good Protection, zero Defense, lots of HP and no issues with Morale

Being Wood, it would also be Vulnerable to Fire [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Campfire.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Campfire.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Campfire.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Campfire.gif[/img]

It would not be Sacred, with a high Resource Cost relative to its Gold cost.

Based on historical laagering tactics, they would have a Move of 1 in the field, but would be Immobile on the battlefield.

Essentially, the Wagenburg would simply be mobile battlefield barricades, backed by a contingent of troops. Not a bad tactic for dealing with chaff-heavy armies.

Sombre · #6 September 23rd, 2007, 02:16 AM

I wouldn't have it as a high hp construct, because enemies attacking it would obviously go for the crew rather than hacking at the wood.

Chacal · #7 September 23rd, 2007, 08:12 AM

Autochton : Using it as a moving barricade is historical, but i'm not sure it's the only way I will do it. For now I have constructed 2 wagons. One will work as you give the example, a defensive way, not moving, firing a lot of crossbow shots. The other one will rather move to contact of the enemy.

I'm now decided to use the multiple 10hp forms. It works well and is more fun.

The mapmove is 2 to let it go with most infantry armies.

I will maybe give it the fire vulnerability mostly for fun and to give it a vulnerability, even if IMO, a wood wagon would probably not burn so easly.

As for the resource gold cost :
The resource cost of the Crossbow WarWagon would be those of 3 crossbow, 1 Spear, 4 armors and helmets, plus a cost for the WarWagon itself. I'll have to decide about the gold cost too.