Guide: LA Man - Castle Warfare

[Tifone]

Wow, you can really use a Black Heart on a non-stealthy commander and use him for assassination if e's being sieged? That's a great tip

That aside, very nice and detailed guide, interesting to read. Pity I'm just starting to put my head in MA after much much time in EA, so LA seems far from me now

[Stavis_L]

Originally Posted by Tifone

Wow, you can really use a Black Heart on a non-stealthy commander and use him for assassination if e's being sieged? That's a great tip

...or a great bug. Doesn't the description of the item indicates it should only work for already stealthy units?

Still, all in all, seems like such an edge case, with enough of a downside (chest wound) that it's not something that I'd argue for proscribing in a MP game.

[Festin]

you can really use a Black Heart on a non-stealthy commander and use him for assassination if e's being sieged

Wow, really? So, for example, I can give the Black Heart to some Arch Devil, and use him to assassinate the commanders of sieging army? This looks powerful.

[Redeyes]

By the same logic, shouldn't blackheart work offensively when sieging castles?
Try it with Bane Lords for a thug-chassis.
They are reasonably cheap, have great base stats and (most importantly) are unaffected by the encumbrance from the chest wound.

Though I imagine a Black Servant would be great as well.
Truth be told, I haven't tried the heart with undead so I don't know if it will work. Heading out to do it now.

Edit: tried it on a Vampire Count of Ulm and a Black Servant and it worked with both

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by Redeyes

By the same logic, shouldn't blackheart work offensively when sieging castles?
Try it with Bane Lords for a thug-chassis.
They are reasonably cheap, have great base stats and (most importantly) are unaffected by the encumbrance from the chest wound.

Though I imagine a Black Servant would be great as well.
Truth be told, I haven't tried the heart with undead so I don't know if it will work. Heading out to do it now.

Edit: tried it on a Vampire Count of Ulm and a Black Servant and it worked with both

Damn one of my secrets are out.
I did say LA-Ulm Vampire counts were one of my favorite assassins = ).

[AreaOfEffect]

Originally Posted by Redeyes

By the same logic, shouldn't blackheart work offensively when sieging castles?
Try it with Bane Lords for a thug-chassis.
They are reasonably cheap, have great base stats and (most importantly) are unaffected by the encumbrance from the chest wound.

Though I imagine a Black Servant would be great as well.
Truth be told, I haven't tried the heart with undead so I don't know if it will work. Heading out to do it now.

Edit: tried it on a Vampire Count of Ulm and a Black Servant and it worked with both

Sieging does not allow assassination of those inside the castle. This has been discussed in the bug thread and is likely not to change, not for logical reasons, but because it would be difficult to program given the games current mechanics. That is my understanding. Assassination spells do allow you to target those inside though. Manifestation, as noted, may cause friendly fire.

Yes, undead + black heart = assassin. Using black servants is of course an option and should be one of your bag of tricks. I just wanted to point out the the unique nature of assassination when defending a castle.

Edit: Just so you know, you should be able to assassinate as a third party of a siege.