Ye Olde Galactic Bar & Grill & Phong's Head Cantina

[Growltigga]

Greetings all.

First, I am proud to announce that the 'Gryphin & Growltigga' thread is no more - it is passe, it is gone, it has died, it has shuffled off this mortal coil, it has gone to meet its maker, it has gone to the great graveyard of threads in the sky, it has suffered literary disillusion, it has been criticised, it has definately outlived its usefulness.

Second, welcome to the Galactic Bar & Grill and Phong's Head Cantina. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for all you busy SEIV afficionados and forum lurkers out there to get some OT relief, have a half of shandy and exchange some chat with fellow lurkers - in short, a general discussion thread.

Third, everybody is welcome, even Tesco Samoa

[Gryphin]

Hello Folks,
Yes, what he said so elequently:
Come on in, take your shoes off, set a spell, and leave a comment.
Enjoy

[Gryphin]

GrowlTigga,
Fixed the number at the G&G thread.
EDIT:
Tesco, Fixed the number again.

[ 11 March 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]</p>

[mac5732]

goodbye sweet G&G thread, it was fun while it Lasted, sigh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I really don't care which Version we use, but if its the gold, will need sometime to play it. Couldn't this weekend, OLD mother nature decided to be unmerciless and knocked out power to my area for almost 40hrs, just got it back early this morning. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif Whats everyone preference?

M'Lady Fyre, tis good to find an enlighting spirit among us frayed creatures. I am dismayed that your recent excursion was disappointing, but hang in there, one never knows whats around the next cornor http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Hey GT, where's the Brewskies? If this is a Bar and Grill Pub, then the ones who started it should stand a round all around for us aged, semi-senile, accruments

just some ideas mac

[Growltigga]

Mac, anticipating your every need I did arrange for a crate of gripewater and sherry to be on tap but unfortunately, some wretch has scoffed the lot before I could crack you a tinny

If we ever do meet up face to face, then I shall be deleted to purchase a said can of beery comestibles for you

[tesco samoa]

Gold please..... Sorry Tigga.

[Gryphin]

Meeting Face to Face:
My Place, Summer 2002, Be there

[Growltigga]

Tesco, no worries. Gryph - we will see what we can do - it would be nice to show all you nancy north americans how to drink - that is still the one thing the English excel at.

Re the International Cat Squishing Session, this needs to start very soon. We will argue about settings later but first, Gold or Standard?

I am brassic so can't afford gold at the mo, I think Gryph is in the same position. Tesco is rolling in it so has his - Saxon has ordered his, Phoenix I dont know about (Gold, not Phoenix himself) Mac - dont know.

So far it is one vote either way (me for standard, Tesco for gold) - can we reach consensus please

[Gryphin]

Phoenix has Gold, I saw him post in the "I Got It Thread"

[mac5732]

I have gold as well, still haven't experimented withit yet, due to previous rambunctious mother nature, I will go with majority

mac

[mac5732]

GT, if we ever do meet, the lst round's on you, heh, heh, the 2nd on the Gryphin,, 3rd on Tesco, 4th on Mephitso, 5th on Saxon, 6th on PhoenixD, and then the 7th on me. Since I'm the oldest and therefore probably the most semi-senile, I need to go Last in case I can't remember what it is that I'm to order in the first place http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

just some ideas mac

[wr8th]

"Come on in, take your shoes off"

You really don't want that.

I've had chemical weapons inspection instuments redline near my old sneakers, not to mention how my footwear left outside to dry has knocked down turkey vultures flying over our house.

I don't want to invite UN sanctions.

[Mephisto]

For the love of Pete, take Gold. It fixes many bugs, introduces nice little things and will be easily patch in the future. Sticking with 1.49 will be like sticking with the G&G thread: It was fun but is dead now.

[Gryphin]

Mephisto,
That phrase was good as gold. Wish I had thought of it.

wr8th,
Turkey Vultures in NJ? I lived in New Brunswick in my sordid youth. I never saw any. Then again I never saw a lot of things.

[ 11 March 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]</p>

[wr8th]

Gryphin:

Oh yes we have those in Central Jersey (had 'em in my back yard), black bears, and now in the northern part of the state, coyotes that have interbred with wolves, not to mention an exploding deer population (the population, not the deer exploding).

[mac5732]

Gryphin, after wr8th's, aahh, comment concerning his condition concerning his lower parts of his anatamy, I think maybe you might reconsider the part about "take of you shoes", we don't want to scare anyone off or wear masks while we're in the serious aspect of engaging in the illustrious condition of experating the testing of various brewskis here within the new bar/grill/catina to help us widen our scope of playing SE4 and to help us envision the looks and nominclature of new additional races for expansion of our gaming.

just some ideas mac

[Gryphin]

mac5732
Maybe the new races will apriciate his feet or his shoes or both.

[mac5732]

Gryphin,

hmmmm, maybe the beginnings of a new race or mod with newer type never before seen weapon tech tree
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

just some ideas mac

[wr8th]

Hmmmmm,

How much goldpressed latinum might I be offered for my stanky sneaks? I wouldn't care if this was an outlawed form of weaponry like, say, subspace weapons. I'm not proud.

[mac5732]

wr8th, LOL

just some ideas mac

[Gryphin]

The Stinky Seaker Missle
Tech Tree:
Bio Warfare &gt; Vulture Turkeys &gt; Perth Amboy &gt; wr8th &gt; Insdieous &gt; More Insdeous &gt; GrowlTigga Like &gt; Feet &gt; Socks &gt; Sneaker &gt; Stinky Seaker Sneaker
There is more but I got sick.

[tesco samoa]

Gold has arrived.... I installed it but thats it.... just cannot bring my self to play against the computer.... I will play it for the first time against other people. It will be a change if we play stock.... I am so used to playing a hybrid of mods....all rapped into one.

The manual reminds me of the old ssi manuals.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Summer is a good time.... THat way I can sit back and partake in a herf. ( Cigar....) with a nice glass of wine followed by a nice stout.

[tesco samoa]

And if Tigga comes out we can deep fry him chips and deep fry him everything else he eats.... even canned goods and maybe something with blood in it as well. IT's 4 tablespoons of lard per 100 grams of food right??


Or curry in a bag

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[tesco samoa]

and yes that is my first poke in the ribs.... You people are a bad influence on me....

Thanks

[mac5732]

Tesco, ck you pvt msg board

and yes, we are a bad influence, but we tend to grow on ya, http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

just some ideas mac

[mac5732]

had some trouble with gold, installed, went to new, clik add new race, completed all sections, hit create empire, and RUN ACCESS ERROR, froze up my computer, had to uninstall and reinstall, now wks ok, anyone else have problem?? also downloaded the mod helper program, somehow got into my document file and unzipped files, instead of SE4 gold folder, $^^#$*&%$, that's age for ya,
lost more hair trying to figure what I did wrong,
its the age thing I guess, either that or to many brewskis,

just some ideas mac

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
The Stinky Seaker Missle
Tech Tree:
Bio Warfare &gt; Vulture Turkeys &gt; Perth Amboy &gt; wr8th &gt; Insdieous &gt; More Insdeous &gt; GrowlTigga Like &gt; Feet &gt; Socks &gt; Sneaker &gt; Stinky Seaker Sneaker
There is more but I got sick.<hr></blockquote>

Do not EVER compare me to someone's odorous set of moisture absorbent footwear.

Good weapons plan BTW, would give organic races a real new feel - cue further weapons? the "Armpit of Doom"? the "Flatulentia Beam"? the "Naval Fluff cannon"? ooh the list is endless (and nauseating)

What is perth amboy BTW?

PS Mac, I doubt you would be still standing after 6 sherries - just give me your wallet up front and I will deal with it

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by tesco samoa:
And if Tigga comes out we can deep fry him chips and deep fry him everything else he eats.... even canned goods and maybe something with blood in it as well. IT's 4 tablespoons of lard per 100 grams of food right??


Or curry in a bag

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif <hr></blockquote>

A remark like that coming from a native of a country that produced Pamela Andersen and Mike Myers is truly below comprehension and understanding.

Tesco, that is fighting talk - I thought you were the one weho survived off moose butgers, raccoon fritters and deep fried marmot

Us English are leading the way in avant garde fusion cuisine - when I was over in the states recently looking askance at the local riffraff, ALL the TV chef shows were English culinary gurus - Jamie Oliver, Rick Stein, Delia Smith, Anthony Worral-Thompson, Nigella Lawson (grr grr) etc etc

I suspect the local talent is still working out which end of a knife to use (and that is with two choices)

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by tesco samoa:
and yes that is my first poke in the ribs
<hr></blockquote>

be careful Tesco, my return poke in your ribs will be led by a sharp metallic implement

keep in mind that what may be simply an empty bottle of bad american beer to you, to me is a lateral cranial impact enhancer just waiting to be used

[ 12 March 2002: Message edited by: Growltigga ]</p>

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by mac5732:
but we tend to grow on ya, http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif <hr></blockquote>

Mac, true but the sad thing is so does fungus

[Saxon]

Tigga,

English cuisine = deep fried frozen Mars bars. You can pretend that England ends after the Watford gap, but we know the truth.

[Growltigga]

Saxon, deep fried mars bars are a Scottish delicacy and any Scot on this forum would be mortified to be lumped together with us sassennachs - you can actually buy deep fried mars bars in Paris - bit of a rage at the mo' I am hearing

And I refuse to take guff from anyone from a nation that is famous the world over for giving us north american cuisine - I know, I have been there, I have seen the obese people walking past all these fast food joints specialising in the four main north american food Groups, meat, fat, lard and burnt crunchy bits

[Gryphin]

mac, what ja go and tell Phoenix D that we were watching him. Now he will know we are ready with our anti Plague Bomb, Bomb.
The real key though to stopping these is to stop his ships. Somehow I think that is going to be harder. If, I mean when he reaches our planets I think the issue will be moot.

[Growltigga]

what's this? what's this?

Gryph, this sounds like evidence that you and Mac are colluding to form an unholy alliance in our upcoming game in order to sweep the space lanes of everybody else.

Hmm, I know that I am target imprimus for everybody else on this game but how about the rest of the participants forming into a League of Light to cleanse the galaxy of furry lipped Gryphins and Doddering old Tchakik thingummywhatsits? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Growltigga]

Hey Saxon, check your private mail quickly - Steve has just called me from New Yawk

[Gryphin]

"Flak from North Ammericans"?, Flak is a static defence against attacking aircraft. I don't consider you enough of a threat to use that strong a defence and when I do, it will not be static.

[Growltigga]

Gryph, please put the Boy's book of aerial weaponry away

Hmmm, anyone else noticed that it must be getting late in the bar, the locals are getting rowdy - typical when north americans have too much to drink, turns into a classic case of cranial-rectal inVersion
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ 12 March 2002: Message edited by: Growltigga ]</p>

[Gryphin]

Late? Too much to drink?
Hate to dissapoint you, but this is my natural state. I suspect it is your perception that has grown dim.

[ 12 March 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]</p>

[Growltigga]

so, when we do meet up, that just means that you will be on the orange cordial all evening - no way am I letting you near alcohol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Mephisto]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:
Us English are leading the way in avant garde fusion cuisine<hr></blockquote>

English cuisine??? Isn't that contradicting in itself? Better try some food. Something we cook on the continent. Try Italian for example.

[tesco samoa]

Hello Dimex. Nice to meet you


Tigga &gt;&gt;&gt; Naked Chef is good. Enjoy the music...

Gryphin &gt;&gt;&gt; please write to your congress and/or their focus Groups to push them to start selling Rolling Rock in Canada

We have SF's Steam Beer now which is fantastic. And their Liberty Ale.

Tigga &gt;&gt;&gt; Orange Cordial is a unknown mixer in NA.
Rose's is the main supplier of Cordial and they only really offer Lime.

Do you two post around the clock or something ???

Mac... SJ is creating a dog and pony show for your current situation on the mod files.... Are you a windows user ??? And do you have MS Office installed ?? And what compression utility do you use ( Winzip, Power archiver, Win XP ) etc....

That way if SJ has not posted his D&P by tonight...then I will send you one..

Take care everyone.... CMM Level 3 Start up and Planning await me all afternoon.. Requirements Gathering and interviews with the customer.....

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by [K126]Mephisto:


English cuisine??? Isn't that contradicting in itself? <hr></blockquote>

What on earth do you know!!! liver dumplings???, sauerkraut??? bratwurst???? pumpernickel bread???

[Growltigga]

Tesco, the recipes in the naked chef are pretty good too

Rolling Rock is a bit limp, dont you guys get any english or continental stuff over there - some of the german beers are pretty good, the belgian beers are all excellent

I love Roses Lime Cordial - always have a bottle in the house

No, we dont post round the clock but given the 5 hour time difference, we do well on covering most Posts

What is a dog and pony show!!

[Lemmy]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>
good to hear from you again LemmyM, why don't you come on down to the Galactic Bar & Grill and Phongs Head Catina? I thought you were working on a mod or something awhile back, any luck,
just some ideas mac
<hr></blockquote>

hmmz...not that i remember, maybe i should search through the Posts made by me
...
no, nothing in the search, if it where on my hd, it would be gone by now, i formatted 3 weeks ago and forgot to make a backup..
i did make some comparing program a while ago, but that's gone now, and maybe a tech tree viewer, but that may not have been posted....

on another topic...how do you guys get one thread so full so fast http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif it's scary...

[Growltigga]

lemmym, easy answer - verbal diarrhoea http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[mac5732]

LemmyM, glad to see you here, thought maybe you went to another forum, there's always room here for anyone who wants to join in.

Reason thread fills up is because of all of our dynamic personalities, informative discussions, (see the old G&G thread on "The Gryphin Position and Circle the Wagons") our prowness at scientific researching of the known and unknown far reaches of the galaxies and the meaning of life's interesting attributes etc,

Tesco, will ck out the thread, use windows 98, winzip,

GT, there is no collusion concerning the Gryphin and myself in the upcoming Universal Galactic Blood letting, ship smashing, Sneaky sneaker seeker biological warfare extravaganza. However, the Imperialistic, Psychotic, Scientists of the Tkachik Empire are open in regards to modest, ahh, err, gifts received from adoring others in regards to Tech and/or resources.

Gryphin, aaahhh the subities of lurking Intelligent Agents, you always need intel, but there are other ways of fighting a war then just smash and bash http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

just some ideas mac

[Mephisto]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:
What on earth do you know!!! liver dumplings???, sauerkraut??? bratwurst???? pumpernickel bread???<hr></blockquote>

Huh? Who to hell is eating this? No one I know of at least! (Except Bratwurst in the summer of course! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

[Mephisto]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:
What is a dog and pony show!!<hr></blockquote>

May be related to wagons and circles?

[Gryphin]

Um, no, I can asure you that The Gryphin positon and CTW have noting to do with dogs or ponies.
A "Dog and Pony Show" is an Ammerican expresion refering to a "fancy" presentation. It comes from the circuss and carnavals that had trained animals "jumping through hoops", (another expression), and other tricks.

[Gryphin]

GrowlTigga, I see, no footware comparizons. You are right, how uhncivilized of me. I guess you were not able to handle such a high compliment.
Another Tech Tree could be based on GrowlTiagga "Rib Pokers"
Social Skills &gt; Language &gt; Non Native Tounge &gt; Irony &gt; Sarcasm &gt; Blustering &gt; PoppyCock &gt; Verbal Flautualance &gt; Insults &gt; Gross Insults &gt; Slander &gt;
I'd go on but someone might think I'm joking.
EDIT: Spelling and pulling my punch.

[ 12 March 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]</p>

[Gryphin]

Dimex,
I hope you made it here. I wanted to add to my advice under "newbie race":
Watch out for the "GrowlTigga Tigless". They will berate and insult you every time you make a mistake. Every time you do something right they will make sarcastic remarks.
The Messages pop up in the middle of the screen, I have not figured out how they do that.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
GrowlTiagga "Rib Pokers"
Social Skills &gt; Language &gt; Non Native Tounge &gt; Irony &gt; Sarcasm &gt; Blustering &gt; PoppyCock &gt; Verbal Flautualance &gt; Insults &gt; Gross Insults &gt; Slander &gt;
[ 12 March 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]<hr></blockquote>

Blustering? Poppycock? verbal flatulence? oh dear oh dear, there speaketh a desparate man who thinketh not of anything better

Nice try Gryph but not that successful - given the gyp you gave me on private emails, I am not going to respond in kind - it would be embarassing to see a grown man cry

[Gryphin]

GrowlTigga,
To avoid whitnessing the tears of a grown man, avoid reflections of tine own.
As for email gyps, A real gentlman would not have mentioned that here.

[Dimex]

Thanks Gryphin

now i know a bit more of how it is to be here, and i whill watch out fore that ugly thing, (it must be some sort og slime race) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

and thanks this seams like a nice forum

the game seams realy nice, but big. and i guese one whill be learning that game for the next 5 years and still fell like a newbie

[Gryphin]

Dimex,
We are honored by the presence of such an enlightened one to reconize the slime for what it is.
And to think, your 3rd post is to this thread, It bodes well for you and speakes highly of us.

[Growltigga]

I am lost by the slime - Dimex - good effort, third post and you have lost me already

you are right, big game, lots of learning curve, nice people

Gryph, I am only a gentleman when it comes to opeining doors etc for ladies - apologies if you have taken offence

[Dimex]

Hello every body

im new here but thanks for biding me welcome into this bar.
A bit about me:
im 27 years old, a programmer fore a living (if i can find a job) from Denmark.
i have played stars! and Starships Unlimited Divided Galaxies
and now i have got this

i like 4X, RPG and some driving and FPS
right now i play SEIV, EverQuest, Demise, capitalism II and what i run in to.

and Last i give my first round of beer to every body around

[Gryphin]

Offended? Me?, now that is offending.

[Growltigga]

Hmmm, Mac, TS, SJ, Phoenix and possee - I am not 100% convinced with Gryphin's explanation - sounds llike a drowning man clutching at seagulls if you ask me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Mephisto, I was in Frankfurt and then Hamburg just before Xmas, sauerkraut and other brassica related products, offal based bready products, dodgy black bread and horrible white sausages looking like horses doofers were all rapidly being consumed by your countrymen!

[tesco samoa]

Gryphin is correct.... We use it a work when the high level management drop by to tell us what were doing.

A 'Dog and pony Show'

Were the animals..

[wr8th]

"doofers"? Lemme guess... uh, yeah http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Gotta love the idioms. Was it Winston Churchill who commented that Americans and Britons were two people separated by a common language?

[Growltigga]

wr8th, please dont rekindle that particular adage becasue as I already pointed out to the north american possee some time ago, there are too many differences to count, language is definately one, diet is definately another, and as for peewee herman!!

[Gryphin]

wr8th,
Seems like GrowlTigga is a little touchy. Maybe we should avoid pushing those buttons, (out of respect for, well, you know).

[wr8th]

Indigestion perhaps?

[Gryphin]

Based on what I know of GrowlTiggas cluinary inclinations, Yes Indigestion could be it. Mostly I think it has to do with admitting "American" is even remotely tied to "English". You might say he can't stomach that.

[adder_inf]

Well from what I have heard gryphin can be alittle tough to chew on. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[wr8th]

"Mostly I think it has to do with admitting "American" is even remotely tied to "English". You might say he can't stomach that."

That sword cuts just as well on the backhand swing.

[Gryphin]

adder_inf ,
yes, I am very tough to chew on as are the torps I will feed to GrowlTigga.

As that sword cleaves its way through the relationship between English and American, I will sidestep it and make a bad pun. No, I will make a good pun, there are no bad puns.
EDIT: Seplling and rephrasing.

[ 13 March 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]</p>

[mac5732]

The sad story of an semi-senile, computer illiterate attempting to download Mods.

It was a dark nite, wife watching tv, kids out, granddaughter in bed, I sat at the computer, meditating, "The computer is my friend, we are as one", then armed with suggestions from friends on the forum, like, Tesco, SJ, PhoenixD and Val, I was ready, I hit the switch, it booted, so far so good, no problems, put the Gold CD in the drive, "the computer is my friend we are as one", Go to my computer, find CD drive, I strike.. it brings up the mods on the cd, excitement begins to slowly escalate thru my body, I clik on the Mod Launcher, Winzip opens, ah ha, I'm in. I attempt to load, BUT, where are the buttons for extract and load named folders?? I pause, "the computer is my friend we are as one", I hit unzip, its working, at least its going somewhere,
now for the resistonce, I find TDM-Mod and P&N, do the same thing, everything looks ok, The excitment is flooding my body, I quickly go back to the SE4Gold folder, looking in ecstacy for the enjoyment that will shortly be mine. I look, I stop, I stare in disbelief, "The computer is my friend we are as one", No where are any of the three showing in the SE4 directory. Hmmm, Don't panic I say, I look further, I find the launcher on the left screen of Windows explorer, but nothing listed, sweat now breaks out rolling down my aging frame, but wait, no problem, "the computer is my friend we are as one", I decide to try another solution, go to my computer again, with shaky finger I clik on D drive. There are the mods again. Ok, ok, slowly, clik and drag the Launcher, TD-Mod & P&N onto the desktop, Success, oh yes, "the computer is my friend we are as one", I clik unzip, type in SE4 Gold, ok, nothing weird or strange happening, my anxiety beginns to subside, a sigh escapes my lips, "we are as one",
I clik & drag them to the SE4 Gold Shortcut, they go in ok, BUT, they are still on my desk top, oh oh, "we are one, we are one", ever so slowly I go back to the SE4 Folder, I inch my way down looking, looking, AEIIIIII , their not there, Mrs Mac comes, (bad timing), asks why I'm screaming and that I'll wake the granddaughter, I reply back, outcome, Mrs Mac is not currently talking to Mr Mac, she exits gracefully, I return my attention, "we are one", ya right. I desperatly search, finaly I find on the left screen after cliking the the + of MM folder, there they are, I go to the launcher, Excitment is profuse, there they are listed under none. A strange liquid begins to run down my inner leg, my mind is in a frenzy, excitment courses through my whole being, "the computer is my friend we are as one",
I clik on TD-Mod Pack, hit play SEIN, sit back and drool with anticipation, the computer is my friend we are as one", then... S..., NOTHING, I screwed it up again, d... computer, we are not one, the biggoted piece of metal, I furiously look around for something to increase the number of ventilation holes within its crusty, sarcastic, metal being, I know its laughing, haunting me, keeping me from a gamers high, and then like an exploding gas line, it hits me, IITTT KKnnoowws.. From its hidious Bios along its shiny slippery wiring to its inner Core, "It Knows", This is all a master sadistic plot of "Revenge". It knows about those like him that I met in combat in space, it knows how I glazed their ships and flayed them with Computer Viruses, It remembers how I captured and enslaved their planets minions. The frustration and disruption of my family life is all a stroke of a sick, warped and ingenious AI. I will get even, I will learn, I shall return and take the beasts smugness and shove it up its hard drive...For I am human and its Master, I shall persevere....Oh in between I'm going to have to but some roses for Mrs Mac, She still is not talking to me... sigh, what gamers go thru. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

please help an old semi-senile, very active, computer illiterate who is a real nincompoop...

a very sad, frustrated, mac

[ 13 March 2002: Message edited by: mac5732 ]</p>

[Mephisto]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:
Mephisto, I was in Frankfurt and then Hamburg just before Xmas, sauerkraut and other brassica related products, offal based bready products, dodgy black bread and horrible white sausages looking like horses doofers were all rapidly being consumed by your countrymen!<hr></blockquote>

You know, you should not go with SUCH people! Haven't your mom told you that? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
You need to go to a real restaurant, not a catch-a-tourist-inn! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ 14 March 2002: Message edited by: [K126]Mephisto ]</p>

[Fyron]

mac5732:
To install the SEIV Mod Launcher, do this:
1) Open the zip file for it.
2) Make sure WinZip is in "Classic Mode", and not the stupid wizard.
3) Click on the Extract button. A window entitled "Extract" should appear.
4) Enter the folder where you installed SEIV Gold into the top field labeled "Extract To". Either type it in or use the mini-explorer where it says "Folders/drives" to locate the folder.
5) Make sure to extract the Mod Launcher into the same folder that SEIV.exe is in.
6) Click on the "Extract" button.

To install a mod, follow the above instructions from 1-4, then do this:
5) Look back into the main WinZip window under the column labeled Path. If there is a folder name there, then just click extract. It will create the proper folder for you. If there is no folder there, then type in the name of an appropriate folder (such as the name of the mod) after where it says "C:\Malfador\Space Empires IV Gold" (or whatever) in the "Extract to" field in the "Extract" window and then click the extract button.

Hope that helps you.

[tesco samoa]

Mac I sent you the dog and pony doco... with the pictures... Perhaps we can work on it together and make sure that it is the ISO9001 doco for seiv and post it.

All are welcome to join in on this.

Peewee Herman over Mountbatt'in any day.

[Saxon]

Sorry,

We have been having real problems with our lease line, I am lucky to get on line.

Basically, I am unlikely to get Gold for some time, possible a month. Rather than holding you all up, please feel free to start. Things have rapidly gone to hell in an handbasket around here. Tesco, is your cousin single? Mac, can I take one of your two jobs? Tigga, can you buy me that beer now? If you all say no, I will ask for some of the infamous hot sauce so I can end it all.

[Mephisto]

Mac, I have stayed awake until 5 am and back to work at 9 am but here we go:

The TDM-ModPack with an Install Shield that should be capable of locating the right directory on its own!

Grab it here (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=50&t=000001).

[Mephisto]

Saxon, what the h*** happened? I hope you are well but it doesn't sound like this for sure! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Saxon:
Sorry,

We have been having real problems with our lease line, I am lucky to get on line.

Basically, I am unlikely to get Gold for some time, possible a month. Rather than holding you all up, please feel free to start. Things have rapidly gone to hell in an handbasket around here. Tesco, is your cousin single? Mac, can I take one of your two jobs? Tigga, can you buy me that beer now? If you all say no, I will ask for some of the infamous hot sauce so I can end it all.<hr></blockquote>

Saxon, you can have a gallon of beer should you wish? I will even pour it for you - what on earth is going over there?

[nippy the magical duck]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by [K126]Mephisto:


You know, you should not go with SUCH people! Haven't your mom told you that? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
You need to go to a real restaurant, not a catch-a-tourist-inn! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ 14 March 2002: Message edited by: [K126]Mephisto ]<hr></blockquote>

Hey, I go to Germany all the time, the REAL restaurants all serve this stuff, more cabbage and pork sausages than you have ever seen! and, lots of the best beer on the planet - Mephisto126, Growltigga is dead right - you must be going to English or American restaurants instead http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ 14 March 2002: Message edited by: nippy the magical duck ]</p>

[nippy the magical duck]

brilliant thread by the way

I almost died when I saw that the Gryphin and Growltigga thread was ending

great forum as well - nice to see a forum that deals with all the technical questions anyone could want, and has a daft general discussion thread

off to lurk for another 3 months, got too much to do playing gold

[Mephisto]

Nippy, your REAL restaurants are as "real" for the german cousine as McDonalds is for the american. And BTW: What the hell do the british now of the continent? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Fish and chips: Who survives this doesn't need to fear montezumas revenge!

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by [K126]Mephisto:
Fish and chips: Who survives this doesn't need to fear montezumas revenge!<hr></blockquote>

Nippy, glad to see another decent pukka english bloke on the forum - I could do with an ally

Mephisto - shame on you, English cuisine has moved upmarket since you were obviously here, we dont have fish and chips, we have poisson a la greque, pomme frites and pureed petite pois

Montezuma's revenge?? what do you call what a bratwurst does to the uninitiated stomach then?

[wr8th]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:


Mephisto - shame on you, English cuisine has moved upmarket since you were obviously here, we dont have fish and chips, we have poisson a la greque, pomme frites and pureed petite pois
<hr></blockquote>

What makes the fish Greek? or maybe I don't wanna know. Pommes frites and puréed petite pois: fries and thick pea soup respectively. Hey it works! Attaching a French handle somehow upscales even the most mundane. Where eez mah kétchoupe, alors?

[Mephisto]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:
Montezuma's revenge?? what do you call what a bratwurst does to the uninitiated stomach then?<hr></blockquote>

Wuzzy! A pleasant feeling is all you get from a bratwurst in the summer. No one eat them in the winter BTW because bratwurst is grilled. Ok, noone is a bit harsh. There are rumours that two unknown English people eat bratwurst in December (:eek http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif . Must have been in this catch-me-a-Japanese-tourist-dark-hole-inn in Frankfurt. Its quite funny to be there if you like to see Japanese tourist Groups vomit in the floor after much to much beer. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Gryphin]

I never thought I would see the day:
GrowTigga openly admitts he do with help.
"I could do with an ally"

[Growltigga]

Hmm,

Wr8th, Gryphin and Mephisto

In response and in no particular order of priority:

1 by ally, I should qualify that by saying it is nice to obviously have a correspondlingly superior intellect to debate with on this board - it is too hard to find intellectual equals these days;

2 poisson a la greque is a reference to the cooking style dear boy, you are correct on the pomme frites, pureed petite pois means mushy peas in the colloquial - putting a french handle on everything has been the mainstay of the eclectic restaurant scene for aeons

3 mephisto, stop being embarassed about german cuisine, you know we are speaking the truth even if you obviously spend too much time in McDonalds or Wendy's

Next barb please

[tesco samoa]

Tigga I am actually from Londonderry.....

Dad is from Rochdale....

Wr8th === French Cusine is too fat.... it like the british stuff but they use butter instead of lard and butter.

But one must have a well rounded diet...

Tigga ==== What do they now have fish and chips in a bag http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[nippy the magical duck]

Growltigga, glad to be your friend in need but in my humble opinion, you need a psychiatrist rather than an ally

Having gone through some of this thread and the gryphin and growltigga thread, I do have to ask what the cluck is going on? The pair of you are barking insane - has this much vaunted game you two are meant to be playing started yet or is this the longest case of male bravado and postering known to man?

Mac, I am delighted to see a voice of reason on this thread. G&G obviously need i. Good for you.

and as for 'circling the wagons' - I tracked that back - I might be able to breathe properly again sometime tomorrow

Mephisto, I spend maybe 1-2 weeks a month in Germany on business. I think it is more like Growltigga says than you would want to admit!

[Gryphin]

GT,
I don't think it is very nice to drag nippy down to your level, (your inflated self perception not withstanding). Clearly his ability to read people is exceptional. I see only one error. I am "Crazy" and *that* prevents me from going "insane".
Nippy:
Nice to have you aboard. No, the game has not started yet and yes this is a wonderous world record for swaggering posturing bravado.
Please join in by all means. Hmm, actualy it looks like you already have.
Don't be foold by macs postings. He is as crazy as the rest of us.
As for your breathing, maybe we should put warning somewhere withing the thread.
GrowTigga, can you write up a disclaimer?

[ 14 March 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]</p>

[Growltigga]

Gryphin, charming I must say. NippyTheMagicalDuck is obviously an intelligent, urbane and thoroughly civilised and discerning individual so it is fair to say Gryphin that by any reasonable standard, you and I are 'insane' or at the very least 'warped'.

Nippy, delighted to meet you old bean. Glad you can join the party and hopefully assist me in showing these north americans the benefits of a damn good thrashing!

I would point out that the international challenge has been delayed not through lack of willpower, just more the problems of finding enough time and logistics and absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I have not got the hang of the game yet and dont really want to go down in flames!

Be kind to MAc, at his age he needs all the support he can get ain't that right Degsy

Nippy, glad you could point out to the Bratwurst kid that he ius more awash in brassicas than he thinks

Now going back to the asylum

wibble wibble frisnet frisnet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Gryphin]

Warpped I will accept. Querky even applys.

Does anyone know if we can use our own shipsets in the PBW?
I'm doing up a few ships and racial portrait apropriate to the Image of the mighty "Eries of Gryphin"

Will we be able to name the startting systems and home planets in PBW?

[Growltigga]

Gryph, good point, I always assumed that we could change the names of the planets a la normal play, but would not be able to change the systme names (not sure you would want to do that anyhow as any ancient race would spot you right off)

Is it worth each participant stating who their empires will be for the record?

you are obviously the "Gryphins of Eerie", I am the 'Cosmic Church of Universal Uncertainty', Mac is the mad scientist of catsick or whatever

let each participant state their races for good measure

[Gryphin]

Also, who is going to be the official scribe?

[Suicide Junkie]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Does anyone know if we can use our own shipsets in the PBW?
I'm doing up a few ships and racial portrait apropriate to the Image of the mighty "Eries of Gryphin"

Will we be able to name the startting systems and home planets in PBW?<hr></blockquote>Yes. everyone needs to download your shipset, otherwise your ships will randomly mutate each turn.

Renaming planets will be immediately obvious to any "ancient race" player who cares to look. Any player who has explored the system, or been given maps will be able to see the name changes as well.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
Also, who is going to be the official scribe?<hr></blockquote>

Well, I consider that we need someone involved who is neutral, completely neutral. So, this rules out Mephisto as he is too obsessed with bratwurst (well, they look like horses' doofers and he IS a donkey after all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

I dunno really, I cannot think who, Geo? Nippy the Magical Duck? Mac?

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Saxon:
I asked Tigga for the beer for what should be now obvious reasons.
<hr></blockquote>

what are the obvious reasons oh brave, smart and wise one?

[Gryphin]

Thanks SJ and GT
They will know I'm there.
Two things:
1) If they show up I had better be ready for them
2) I make a better ally than ennemy.
3) See 2.

GT, where is the "Warning Lable" on this thread?

[Growltigga]

dunno, should there be a warning label?

how about, "dont check on this thread unless you like corresponding with weird bald englishmen and crackpot yanks with dodgy moustaches"

[Gryphin]

I was thinking more like:
"Warning, This Thread May Leave you in a Permanent State of Confusion"

[Growltigga]

Well, it certainly does that for me.

Hmmmm, not sure which jurisdiction this thread falls under, probably North Virginian law or something strange so will need a local lawyer to do the honours

I think 'Warning - this thread will reach the parts that other thread fear to go' is a safe bet

[adder_inf]

You are all just jealous that the voices talk to me and not you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

There are no neutrals available, We have all left our home system.

[nippy the magical duck]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:
[QB]NippyTheMagicalDuck is obviously an intelligent, urbane and thoroughly civilised and discerning individual[QB]<hr></blockquote>

Why thank you Growltigga, I would say that you are a fine judge of character as well as being obviously a prime example of the apex of intellectual development yourself.

As for thrashing these north americans, is that compulsory? I am not sure I fancy that much judging by this lot, do I have to bring my own whip?

[Gryphin]

jurisdiction?
My impression from the news is that US companyies are expected to respect / follow the EU standards and laws pertaining to commerce.

Maybe: "Warning, Warning Will Robinson, Danger, Extreme Danger"

[Mephisto]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
jurisdiction?
My impression from the news is that US companyies are expected to respect / follow the EU standards and laws pertaining to commerce.

Maybe: "Warning, Warning Will Robinson, Danger, Extreme Danger"<hr></blockquote>

Huh, Gryphin, don't bring this up. Growltigga and me might be arguing about Bratwurst but US law extension into the EU is quite a big concern over here as Groltigga will confirm I think. You know, in Europe you cannot convict one to pay 10.000.000 bugs for lost hair but many people just appeal to US courts that happily convict companies in Europe and care nothing for the local laws.

[Gryphin]

uh oh, forgott something my Mama told me as a child
"Never Play with Guns or Lawers
Even if you are right, you could still lose"

[Gryphin]

Does anyone know of a windows based program that will let me rename multible files in a folder at the same time?
For example:
I copy the Tigga Phong folder to Eries of Gryphin Folder
I want to rename all of the apropriate files to "Eries of Gryphin_xyz_abc_.....
I have tried at the DOS level but you knwo what I ran into.

[tesco samoa]

link of the day

http://www.satirewire.com/news/march02/madness.shtml

Gryphin Eries of Gryphin_xyz_abc_.....
in dos would be Gryphin~1

good luck I just high light eries of gryphin then control c then right click ... rename file.... highlight the phong word and control v and repeat over and over to all the files are done.

[TerranC]

Yessiree, that Kimchee is STRONG stuff http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Saxon]

Do not be worried, my troubles are not so bad. They are just transitory and poorly timed.

I asked Tesco about his cousin as I am freshly single. Unlike the good Gyphyn, I have not been entertaining most of the female population, I have been with just one for a few years.

I asked Mac for one of his two jobs as my current one is driving me mad. Not to rake up old issues, but I am supposed to be on leave and am doing lots of overtime instead.

I have to fly back to Canada for a dying relative, which won’t be fun. Perhaps I can swing a promotion and a raise out of it, but then again, I may not have the chutzpah of a certain forum member.

I have not been able to go Online properly for quite a few days, thus the Gold ordering problems.

I asked Tigga for the beer for what should be now obvious reasons.

So, as I say, these are transitory problems and I should be back in regular working service in a while. Heretical as it may seem, I will play some Quake as therapy. Sometimes SEVI requires a bit too much thought and Quake is suitably mindless. Thank you for your concern, I have not seen so many kind comments since Mac injured his wrist in the name of science.

[Gryphin]

Saxon,
I'll buy the beer. I wish I could help with the dating, and If you want to move to Boston, I could probably help with the job.
Hang tight

[Saxon]

Tigga,

The obvious reasons I asked you for a beer are that you are physically the closest to me (geographically, not the Shreck resemblance) and that you have already stated that you got a raise. I figure Mrs. GT gets 95% and you can buy me a beer with the other 5%. And I will take a pint, none of your half shandies.

I have been re-thinking my choice of empires. Playing the EEE could be rather entertaining and allow more room for humor than The High Lords of Sahali. And I could cuddle other races to death!

[Growltigga]

Saxon, I would be delighted to drown you in beer if that is what you would like - Mrs GT earns a healthy sum in her own right (being a captain of industry as she keeps on telling me) and therefore she gets 100% of her cash, 75% of mine and I get to pay the mortgage out of the rest.

Probably explains why my backside is hanging out of my suit!

I do not want any element of Growltiggerness to get whomped in this game so I will either play Archdeacon Tiddles of the Cosmic Church of Universal Uncertainty or Fart Thunderquake of the Galactic All-Star Skiffle and Gastric Combo - ber scared, be very scared

Lastly, dont care who you play, you are not cuddling me

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by [K126]Mephisto:


Huh, Gryphin, don't bring this up. Growltigga and me might be arguing about Bratwurst but US law extension into the EU is quite a big concern over here as Groltigga will confirm I think. You know, in Europe you cannot convict one to pay 10.000.000 bugs for lost hair but many people just appeal to US courts that happily convict companies in Europe and care nothing for the local laws.<hr></blockquote>

Too right it is a problem, explaining to Americans that New York state law is not a global codus is a severe headache - probably explains why English law is more popular for commercial transactions!

[Gryphin]

Um, for what it is worth, I was pointing out that a recent court descision made it clear that US companyes were required to comply with EU laws. In particular where it relates to use of the web. The concern of the US companies is excatly what you point out. They are worried they will soon be required to do things your way.
I am in no posiston to take any position on this save the "Gryphin" one.

[Growltigga]

Well, you are right that way as well but as I recall, isnt compliance with EU standards simply reccomended rather than a requirement, and I thought it was restricted to US companies with a trading presence over this side of the great puddle?

interesting to see if it works as I seem to recall there was some federal guidelines advocating compliance by US companies with the corporate governance reccomendations in our English Cadburey report but that just hit a mass of US ennui

apologies Gryh, was just working round your point rather than hitting it headon

[Gryphin]

"The Great"? Um, "The Great" what?
Too many ideas come to mind. Most of them are not postalble here. I'm too much of a gentlman to post the others.

[Growltigga]

Gryphin, yah boo and tiddly pom to you

It is all part of my cunning plan to psyche myself up into such a fanatical fit that I AM REALLY UP FOR THIS GAME

Cardinal Fang of the Cosmic Church of Universal Uncertainty is the greatest, he is the best, he stings likes a butterfly and floats like a bee, he is the man who put the 'fun' back into 'fundamentalism'

oh yes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[mac5732]

Adder_inf

In regard to voices, anyone who indulges within the confines of this thread, hears voices after compiling the different discussions found within and contemplating upon their meanings. They may even go so far to intrude upon one's dreams upon retiring for the nite, so Voices talking to you, around here, thats considered Normal http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Nippy the Magical Duck

"I am delighted to see a voice of reason on this thread"

Aahhh, tis good to see a gentleman on this thread who know quality when it is sees it and who more then likely enjoys scientific aspects of research into the unknown universes,

Saxon,

In regards to inbribing upon oneself the pleasure of engaging in the fruitful delicicies of downing a liter or two, I must remind you that GT has promised yours truly with the juices of some brewskis and since his "butt" is hanging out from the trials of inflation, I must put lst dibs on his finances in regards to this indulgence of ones domestic pleasures. But be reassured, any left over monetary means shall be put forth to your good self to assist in your recuperation of parchness in this regard http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

just some ideas mac

[nippy the magical duck]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by mac5732:
Aahhh, tis good to see a gentleman on this thread who know quality when it is sees it and who more then likely enjoys scientific aspects of research into the unknown universes,
<hr></blockquote>

Hip hip hooray, I have developed a cunning plan and have managed to employ a decorator to carry out the chores whilst I get to grips with those wretched Sergetti

Even more hip hip hooray, the decorator does weekends and Grendel has decided to extend her trip by a couple of days until Monday - I think she has found some more people to rip apart and mutilate or failing that, has found a particularily juicy bone!!

Growltigga, send me an e-mail. We will make up for your lack of experience in SEIV with my cunning strategic and tactical ability, your verbal dexterity and obvious charm and good looks and more importantly, if necessary we can set Godzilla on Gryphin and the other sideswipers!

Hip hip hooray for the British - galactic conquerors and lords of the ebon deeps, the Growltigga/Nippy the Magical Duck/Simon the Dancing Hippo and Ethel the Eclectic Echidna Alliance will sweep the spaceways free of all heretics, moustachioed or not

PS Mac, I have deduced what amounts to scientific research in your lexicon - I would point out that that sort of thing is illegal in some countries and under certain more strict religions, will make you rknees turn to water and will also make you go blind

[ 15 March 2002: Message edited by: nippy the magical duck ]</p>

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by nippy the magical duck:
your verbal dexterity and obvious charm and good looks<hr></blockquote>

NippyTheMagicalDuck, cheers for the kind words but I should point out that I dont on a first date

Godzilla? Grendel? you really are keen on your Mrs aren't you!

BTW who on earth are Simon the Dancing Hippo and Ethel the Eclectic Echidna? are you sure you are not locked in the room your man is decorating and the fumes are getting to you? are these any relatives to Percy the Porky Pangolin or Carlos the Crooning Coati?

[ 15 March 2002: Message edited by: Growltigga the Great ]</p>

[mac5732]

"sideswipers"? If one checks the girth of the anatamy of a Duck, I would venture to say that this would pertain most profusly upon the feathery
type creatures more in regards to featherwipers.

Ole Gryphin, Tesco, PhoenixD, and Saxon where are you, warm up your plasma torps, gear up your induction centers, gather your creatures of the deep, for the challenge has been upgraded, I believe we have another player who indulges in the enjoyment of watching his ships being flayed, boiled, and flamed by those races of superior quality endurance. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

In regards to the game, It looks like Gold will be the Version of play, however, we'll have to wait until all of us get it and get used to it first, however, we could start a shorter Version if everyone wishes with 1.49 if everyone is willing? post your replys

just some ideas mac

[Growltigga]

I say a short game, Version 1.49, right here, right now

Come and have a go if you think yaw hard enough!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

I and the duck are game on to show all you nancy boys a right good kicking http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

PS life expectancy in this game, just under 3 turns after the first of you discover me!!

[Gryphin]

Correct, *your* life expectancy is just under 3 turns. I agree with that.
You on, and your down.

[mac5732]

The Imperialistic, Physcotic, Empire of the
Tka-chiks, who regard the scientific research into the whys and why nots of the universe with the utmost of regard, and whose forces favor Duck flavored cuisine with the flavor of imported brewskis topped off by meditation as to why Tiggas have tails , accept

Gentlemen, start your engines, for peace is not forthcoming, cities shall feel the might and horror of flaming golf balls, populations shall cringe in fear as feathers fly and the universe shall see the darkness of "WAR"

just some ideas a Helmeted Mac http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Gryphin]

GT,
I see you are quoting me:
"mac you are the silent but deadly type".
in your effort to subvert the noble mac.

mac, don't let him do it. It is a ruse to lull you into a false sence of securty, then
WHAM! you are part of galactic history.

[Gryphin]

A short game of 1.49
Ok, lets say 31 days of a game from the date that the Last person post that they have Gold, (or Latinum)
Is there anyone willing to host the game?

[mac5732]

Gryphin, I believe Mephisto or PhoenixD said they would host earlier but I'm not sure. How about the following until everyone has time to play around with Gold.

Everybody how about

Version 1.49 until we all have the Gold

Play until 30 days after the Last post that the Last of us has received his gold Version

Med Size (depending on number of players)
No AI's
all current rules, techs, weapons, ect.
3-5000 racial points or whatever is decided
3 starting planets
all warp points connected
all starting planets same size
Midlife, Spirol or Cluster??
5000 space
5000 units
low or no Castrophic activity
pick your planet type and atmosphere
Med start Tech

what else

GT, I plan on Lasting at least 5 or 6 turns http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

A helmeted Mac desperatly digging bomb shelters
and stocking up on various brewskis and cutting back on certain ah, ahem, certain research endeavors, but not stopping altogether http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif research must go foreward afterall

[Captain Kwok]

Growltigga, did you change your name and if so, how did you manange to retain your rank?

[Captain Kwok]

Nevermind, I just figured it out. Cool. I didn't know you could do that.

[Gryphin]

GrowlTigga,
Sure, "your not cuddling with me". Sounds like your in de Nile or denile.

tesco,
Make a test folder and try the DOS method. It won't let you for reasons that will embarrass you for forgetting, (weell it did me, but I teethed on DOS 3.3)
I used the "Right Click / Paste Method). I was hoping for a faster way.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
GrowlTigga,
Sure, "your not cuddling with me". Sounds like your in de Nile or denile.
<hr></blockquote>

Gryphin, nothing about being in denial, just a lot about not wanting to cuddle a bloke, especially a canadian in shorts who is gagging for a slice

No offense mate http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ 15 March 2002: Message edited by: Growltigga ]</p>

[Saxon]

1.49 until 30 days after we all get Gold. Super.

Our brave host (once re-identified) has my vote to cull through the various suggestions for a galaxy and then set it up. If they could then post the results and tell people where to email thier .emp files, we would be in business.

Perhaps I should take Pigs in Space. Miss Piggy could be my fearless leader and Kermit the Frog the Lord of the Fleet. Swedish Chef would be the Minister of Industry and Beaker could lead my research program. Not sure what Gonzo would do.

[Mephisto]

Unfortunately I do not have much time at the moment and 2 games already running (as a host btw) so I won't be able to play a new game. However, I will gladly host a game for you, not much trouble here. In this case I might even add a AI races that I play if I have the time and leave it to the AI if I don't have time.

[mac5732]

Mephisto, sorry you won't be able to join us in bashing, flaying and combooberating each other in the up coming game, your volunteering to host, is ok with me if you don't mind, If everyone agrees, I guess we can get started sometime next week, hopefully, tks, appreciate it

we need everyone who wants to play to post, also what eveeryone agrees to, or we can just give generalization to Memphisto and let him seet it up.

Since I've never played PBW games, I would like direction as to what I have to do to get myself set up, I will go to the PBW site again and log in, at least thks to GEO I got that problem solved.

lets hear from everyone who wants in

just some ideas a helmeted Mac

[Gryphin]

I agree to everything.

[Mephisto]

Ok, here is what I need from each of you for setup:

Create a new folder named after your race (please only one word if possible) and put in there all the pictures you want your race to use. By creating a folder for each of your races we can later change picture and AI files as we see fit. Trust me on this. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Zip this folder and sent it to me at HeavyLoad@Gmx.de.
Load SE4, setup the race you would like to play and save this race to an emp file. Sent me this emp file, too. Make sure your password is set to “START” so I can access the emp files for setting up the game properly.
Include in your Email the password you want to use during the game. I will put in this one instead of “START” before beginning the game.

That’s it.

All of you now just have to tell me how your galaxy should look like: Ancient, normal, cluster, small, medium, large, random events on/off, tech level at start, planets at start ect..

[Saxon]

Howdy.

This sounds good. Can we settle on 3000 racial points? It is in the middle… Once we have consensus, we can send races over to Mephisto.

[Gryphin]

Noble Growltigga,
Also known as "The Tactful Trigga Tigga"
So pesonable this Monday morning. What an interesting change. I hope this day finds you well and that the local constabulatory do not find Mrs Tigga.

Your delayed entre into the game works for me.
Mephisto, is it possible to include one AI that Trigga Tigga can take over when he has time and let the AI run when he does not?

The High Gryphin of The Eiries of Gryphin reconizes the bashful low level of Combat Readyness of the Tiggas. We have many Centuries of introducing the young and inexperianced into the ways of both the "Art of Space Warfare" and the Exaulted Gryphin Positon.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
The High Gryphin of The Eiries of Gryphin reconizes the bashful low level of Combat Readyness of the Tiggas. We have many Centuries of introducing the young and inexperianced into the ways of both the "Art of Space Warfare" and the Exaulted Gryphin Positon.<hr></blockquote>

Greeting High Gryphin, mighty leader of the moustachioed masses of Gryphins - Eerie Gryphins? great name there as I think you lot are strange too

I am glad you appreciate that the fighting ferocious furry feline fiends (how is that for alliteration!!!??) of Tiggadom are slightly out of kilter but then it is THAT time of the month when furballs and grooming can incapacitate the finest

Please can you just vapourise me in combat - I don't want to be in the same galaxy when you show some poor young and inexperienced person the 'Exalted Gryphin Position'

[mac5732]

Growtigga, in the garage is one of the lst places the cops will look, poor Mrs GT

I'm with GT, not all that computer literate, so the same goes for me, "ditto" as far as set up

Mephisto, since you were one of the beta testers, don't know if these are bugs or what.
Gold Version, Original, no mods, set up mines fields up in the game, one wp had 80+, Piounda, spelling is off, came in and swept the fields. When I later fought the ships and cked the designs, nowhere on them were sweeping componets,
example the 80+ mines took out 1 out of 5 ships, no damage to others.

2nd, when I went and cliked on my planet weapons to split them up, I cliked off some and left rest on, when I fired they all fired at the same target at the same time. Wasn't able to split them up. Bug??

GT, 48hr turn around ok with me,

just some ideas a helmeted Mac

[Growltigga]

First, greetings to you all. I hope this post finds you all well, able and fit. I also hope that life is treating you kindly and that whatever your problems may be, they are minor and easably solvable.

Secondly, I am completely easy on any option for the game. The only thing is I have only ever played on a 1 planet start up, low tech, low racial points, low alien races, no neutrals, large galaxy and grid/cluster type- if we use anything other than this, please anticipate and be kind on the learning curve.

Thirdly, I am definately up for this game, although I cannot start this week, or maybe not next due to work commitments and the fact that I think I am going insane. It also depends on how long before the police find Mrs GT's body buried under the garage. Can we have a 48 hour turn-turnaround?

Fourthly - I have not ordered Gold yet and dont anticipate being able to for another month or so. I completely endorse the idea that we play on 1.49 until 30 days after the Last team player announces they have gold. I dont think this will be a problem from my point of view as I severely doubt that I will still be alive and in the game within 30 days.

Fifthly, keep in mind everyone that it is not kind to gang up on one inexperienced player, however much you envy him or whatever, and beat them into a pulp.

Sixthly, Mephisto, you must treat me as a complete computer virgin - can I have a step by step guide of HOW I create files, move files over and then send them to you etc

Cheers all

[Saxon]

Tigga,

Sorry for what ever has put you so out of sorts. It was a bit of a shock to the system seeing you choosing such gentle and polite words. In any case, once they find the body in the garage and you are single and on the run, do come visit. The cops are easy to bribe and I am compiling a data base of eligible women. Just be sure to pick up a bottle or three on the way through duty free. Seriously, I do hope things smooth out for you.

You should not worry about being killed in the first month. Multiplayer games take a long time. Running 48 hour turns, you can expect only 15 turns in the first month and only the most homicidal, and lucky, empire could kill another that fast. No, it will be a much more extended ravaging of your empire, Lasting several months. On the other hand, I only learned you have to turn cloaking on the other day, so do not feel you are alone in the newbie world.

[Growltigga]

Mac and Saxon, thank you both for your kind words, it is nice to know that under those spuriously dodgy exteriors, beat the hearts of lions.

can I make it clear that Mrs GT is under the garage, not hanging up next to the watering cans - do you realise how long it took me to relay the concrete floor?

[ 19 March 2002: Message edited by: Growltigga ]</p>

[Gryphin]

geoschmo,
In the thread with a lot of Monty Python banter you posted a link ot the "Bun bun Race". My sweet heart would love to see it if it is still availble.
Thanks either way.

[Growltigga]

has anyone else done any animal races other than squids and rabbits?

I would personally love to play a bunch of spacefaring armadillos, wombats or coatis

Gryph - oh, got you, didn't understand the brass reference which I know see is some pecadillo of american english

Gryph - also, I am not outrageously aggressive, say that again and I will punch your face in

[ 19 March 2002: Message edited by: Growltigga ]</p>

[Gryphin]

Growl,
"american english"?
You are hurting. I hope you get better soon.

[Growltigga]

well I dont know what you call that mess you foreign oiks speak over that side of the atlantic?

[Gryphin]

I call it "American"

[Growltigga]

Gryphin, check out the ship designs for stock thread for a complete analysis of my tactical gameplan

more lucky breaks than a sentient being could need!

[mac5732]

In regards to the game, It looks like we start in 2wks, GT has asked for the 2 wks to give him some time due to work, So far its GT, Myself, Gryphin, Saxon, and I believe Nippy are for sure, anyone else??? spk up the more the merrier

Saxon has requested 3000 racial points anyone have problem with this, spk up, trying to get game set up.

so far

Med size map
still no majority on the type, need ideas please
all rules as in the game
1.49 Version until 30 days after everyone gets GOld Version
pick your races
pick your atmosphere
3 starting planets
Med starting Tech
no AI's
submit ships sets etc to Mephisto for set up
low Catstrophic (still no majority vote on this)
anything else, please post ???

just some ideas a helmeted mac

[Growltigga]

Mac, count me in and two weeks is a good timeframe indeedy. I have no problem wiuth 3000 racial points, what do you use them for?

as for galaxy type, I say large, cluster and the rest is fine although what does medium tech get you?

[Gryphin]

mac, that all works for me
I like Cluster or Spiral

GT:
Racial Points are applyed when you create your race. You select what you prefer. Each has advantages and some have disadvantages.

Start a new game and "Add New" player.
Click "Edit"
Go through each of the areas.
Email me or post here if you have quesitons.

Medium size galaxy will bring us together earlyier. In 30 days in a large galaxy only a few of us would meet.

Medium Tech so we don't have to "reinvent the wheel"

3 starting planets so we grow and expand faster.
Enjoy

[Growltigga]

aww, but I want to stay hidden from you lot for as long as possible!! dont you understand that I am by my very nature a shy, secretive and reclusive creature!!

[Gryphin]

I will agree with the "creature" part.
Remember, you said it, not me.

[tesco samoa]

For events. Low Low
No Ai
sprial
warp points anywhere
5000 units ,, ships
complete tech tree.
48 hours turn around
play to game is over.... victory conditions... peace after 5 years for 20 turns or Last empire standing..
ratio of players to systems should be between 1:15
and 1:25
Med tech..
3 planets

5000 points for everyone to test out as much as possible in the test game... next game we can lessen the number

[Growltigga]

ooh saucer of milk, near Boston

I have no problem being a creature, I have no problem being a mammal, don't we do it like they do on the discovery channel?

Tesco - I reach consensus with your synopsis

Let battle commence (someone wake up Mac)

[Gryphin]

tesco,
With what you propose we would meet each other too quickly way. We need time to get the mechanics down.
I think macs setup is best.

[ 19 March 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]</p>

[Gryphin]

I'm golden, which means The Noble Tiggas of Growl are just brass, A lotta brass.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
I'm golden, which means The Noble Tiggas of Growl are just brass, A lotta brass.<hr></blockquote>

what are you talking about you strange moustachioed liberated north american person?

[Gryphin]

Sheesh, Honerable Tigga, you must really be hurting.
"I'm Golden" = I got SEVI Gold, (Last night).
Brass = Less than gold, to have a "lotta brass" is to be Outrageously Agressive.

[Gryphin]

Uh oh, not good, almost no post in 18 hours. I smell smoke. I bet they are all practicing and sending private emails discussing alliances and strategys.

[tesco samoa]

Gryphin... How....

If there are 10 people playing thats between 150 and 250 systems...

The sprial makes the game interesting within 30 turns.

You should meet your neighbour between turn 10 and 15 and your second neighbour soon afterwards...

Forces early roll playing and trading....

This way everyone meets someone by turn 30

[Growltigga]

Yeah, and certain English players with a preference for feline nomenclatures get annihilated by turn 30 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[Gryphin]

tesco,
I'm not a statistician,
To quote a Civil War general:
"There are lies,
There are damn lies,
and there are Statistics"
I am very experianced at rolling dice.
Your operative word was, "should".
My projection is that some of us would meet neighbors long befor the others would.

GT, Befor turn 30? No Comment.

[ 20 March 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]</p>

[mac5732]

My good Growltigga, the Imperialistic Psychotic Scientists of the Tka-chik Empire will be more then willing to trade with the Tigga empire, for a small fee of course http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

I have no problem with Spiral or Cluster, anyone else have any comments.??

so far we have Tesco, Gryphin, Growltigga, Myself, Saxon, not sure on PhoenixD haven't heard from him here on the thread lately, TS what about your 2 friends, they still want in?

Remember this is for fun and Roleplaying enjoyment, therefore I don't mind meeting anyone by turn 30, unless they are of eeevviilll intent, then I must incorporate the "Gryphin Position" weapon that the Tka-chiks researches have been devising, sooo beewwarreee.....

just some ideas helmeted mac

[Gryphin]

My perception:
We have 6 confirmed players.
I'd say we go for
Medium Size
Spiral
3 Planets
Medium Tech
No AI
3000 Research Points
No special anti feline weapons: Gryphins are 1/2 Lion.

[Mephisto]

I will post a computer virgin how-to-do-it-report as soon as I find some more time.

[Phoenix-D]

"not sure on PhoenixD haven't heard from him here on the thread lately"

Unfortunately I'm going to have to sit this one out. Class just dropped a large load on me.

Phoenix-D

[Growltigga]

Gryph, unfortunately not, I do not have a diskette on my machine

[Saxon]

What I do is get the files emailed to me at work, they are pretty small. I then copy them to a floppy and carry them home. There, I run the turn in the comfort of my home, being served G&T Sundowners and having my toenails polished. Once I finish my turn, I copy the new file to the floppy and carry it to work. I then post it to my friends and they do their turns and we start all over again.

If you have an uptight IT manager, you can delete all the old files every few weeks, as they do build up over time.

Regarding the set up, I am game for what ever works. I agree low events, as they take some of the fun out of things.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Saxon:
being served G&T Sundowners and having my toenails polished<hr></blockquote>

You colonialistic imperialistic hedonistic lazy good-for-nothing moose-kissing reprobate http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

getting your toenails polished? yuk!

and you have to carry your own floppy to work? shame

[Saxon]

No floppy? No wonder England lost the Empire…

Still, the files are small and should not hurt your machine too much. Besides, think of all the money you are saving on food now that Mrs. GT is part of the garage foundation. You can spend it Online.

[Growltigga]

No floppy? No wonder England lost the Empire…

Yep, we still use gramophones over here - there is also a great new invention called a motor car

Still, the files are small and should not hurt your machine too much. Besides, think of all the money you are saving on food now that Mrs. GT is part of the garage foundation. You can spend it Online.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Yeah, the money I am saving AFTER having to pay hush money to the Claudia Schiffer lookalike down the corridor http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[Saxon]

And what is wrong with kissing a moose anyway? After all, I am single…

[tesco samoa]

Tigga the game file will grow to 600k over the first 130 turns... and the player files are under 300 k

So you will be ok.... Perhaps a minute to upload your turn and 2 minutes to download it..

Link of the week


http://homepage.smc.edu/nestler_andrew/SimpsonsMath.htm

Yea their in as of Last conversation... I will get them to send the light

[Saxon]

What about a CD burner? If you had a rewriteable at work, you could use that instead. However, I would be surprised if you had one easily available, they are not exactly desk top standard in most offices. Your other option is to by a floppy drive, it should be about 10 quid, and then install it. If nothing else, your adventures in the interior of your PC would make good reading for the rest of us.

Still, I don’t think it will be too big of a problem to use the modem. I just checked the .gam file for a PBEM game I have going and it is .3 of a meg. It keeps getting a bit bigger each time, but that is the size after about 5 or 6 months.

[Saxon]

Tesco,

What are you doing up so early in the morning? Isn’t it about 7 am in Toronto? Anyway, I agree with you, the files will not be that big and Tigga should have no problem.

Have a good day, I am off home for dinner.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Saxon:
And what is wrong with kissing a moose anyway? After all, I am single…<hr></blockquote>

they slobber, even more than girls from Ohio

[ 21 March 2002: Message edited by: Growltigga ]</p>

[Gryphin]

GT:
"they slobber, even more than girls from Ohio"
Um, when was the Last time you were kissing a moose or a girl from Ohio? Does Mrs Tigga know about this?

[Growltigga]

Well, as to the dexterousness and moistness of the oral cavities of the common or garden Moose, I have the Discovery Channel to thank for that knowledge.

As to girls from Ohio? now that would be telling - you are not the only one with a reputation for being a studley dudley http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Gryphin]

That is the 3rd time you have used the Discovery Channel as an source. You whatch too much TV. Still, I wonder who did the reasearch provided on the Discovery Channel and does their wife / girl friend know?

mac? any Ideas?

[Growltigga]

slightly incorrect, I have only referred to the Discovery Channel twice, and the other reference was a direct quote from that song by The Blood Hound Gang.

Other than that, I do not actually have access to cable or satellite so am stuck with our UK's 5 tv channels, none of which I watch

I prefer to expand my knowledge and breath of personality by reading

[Growltigga]

Phoenix D, pity about that, I was looking forward to locking horns with an Arizonan as revenge for that Lil' Ditty's bar on Phoenix!

Let's start with 5 of us on a medium galaxy - will give us a chance to lock and load a bit first

Question - like most Brits, I do not have broadband - I only have a dial up connection at a bout 45,333 bps and I pay for my calls - is this going to be a huge drain on my phone bill? how big are these files?

[Gryphin]

GT,
The games "should" filt on a diskette. Can you upload them from work?

[Gryphin]

GrowlTigga,
Responding to your erstwhile comment on the "Disturbing Facts" thread re:
"Ah, a confession at Last - Le Chevalier du Gryphin admits that he has prior experience of the Space Empire series before Le Chat bashing session starts"
With my post in the "How Old Are You Thread"
"While looking for a web site on “Star Fire” the paper Version, I found SE III. "
You must be very tired and maybe preocuppied with worry about someone finding the Avon lady, (who ever is in the garage).
Then again, this could be a feint to make me think your memory is not as rententive as I belive. Well, it isn't working. I know you too well. Cunning GT.

[Growltigga]

Dear old Gryphin (emphasising the "old" in that sentence)

As to who is buried under the garage floor, may I quote the great bard on that on 'chop, chop, chop - I am an engine of destruction!' - I have been taking some practical advice from Mac on this.

As to my memory being lacksadaisical, who are you? you should understand that everytime I open my eyes, I see a bright new world!

You should also expect that when one realises that they play SEIV as if it were a great space opera, can thrash the AI on any setting, but then comes across the cold understanding that any human player is going to beat them, dissemination and subterfuge become your only weapons

Put it this way, even my cats are able to beat me on SEIV

[Growltigga]

The reason your cats do is because you, "let the wookies / kittys win"

where do the wookies come into it? the cats win because Growltigga Jnr is a superb strategist, Nutmeg is a diva when it comes to ship design and planetary management

the question is: How often to you open your eyes?

My eyes are always open - lawyers, like snakes, never blink

Disseminate as you will. I susspect we of the forum as wise to your tactics

How little do you know, how little do you know, "wheels within wheels, a pattern so grand and complex"

I see you now place value in macs resezarch and advice. A Most interesting change in you

One must respect the aged and frail, besides, Mac has some really good website links following his research

[Gryphin]

Of Space Empires and Being Single Again
Filled with sound and fury, signifying nothing.
I have to admit that the time spent playing SE III, (20 plus hours a week), was more a symptom than a cause of what lead gettting ditched by my X. Still it was a very important symptom and if you find yourself doing it, definatly look around and find out why. I am very serious here. Maybe if someone had hit me over the head with the evidence I would still be married and would not have spent the Last 3 years in emotional H***.

That said, I now have a sweetheart that, (among other things), wants to learn Space Empires and will be a formidable opponent.

[wr8th]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
...the time spent playing SE III, (20 plus hours a week), was more a symptom than a cause of what lead gettting ditched by my X...

...That said, I now have a sweetheart that, (among other things), wants to learn Space Empires and will be a formidable opponent.<hr></blockquote>

Don't underestimate the power of similar interests (or "the force" *sorry*). I know that's the reason my wife and I have put up with each other lo these ten years! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Gryphin]

Honerable GrowlTigga&lt;
So, you agree with me. It is ok, a few people in the world do.
The reason your cats do is because you, "let the wookies / kittys win"
the question is: How often to you open your eyes?
Disseminate as you will. I susspect we of the forum as wise to your tactics.
I see you now place value in macs resezarch and advice. A Most interesting change in you.

[Growltigga]

Hmm, Sunday morning and I am stuck in the office again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

Hmm, now suffering from withdrawal symptoms from SEIV and mood swings going up and down like a honeymoon duvet

Hmm, I have never thought I would miss being beaten by the Cue Cappa


Hmm http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Growltigga]

Hmmm, Sunday afternoon and I am still in the office...

How come the Cantina is so quiet over the Last couple of days? have everybody moved on to another bar and not told me?

[Gryphin]

I've been trying to help others and teaching my sweetheart how to play SE IV

[Suicide Junkie]

This is probably a good place to draw attention to the fact that I need some testers & suggesters for P&N v2.6-PBW

AIs will be useless in this mod, but you can still run PBW, or a bunch of turns vs yourself.

Thank you for listening.

[Suicide Junkie]

"Those not wearing body armor are hereby advised to keep thier arguments on-topic" (http://www.schlockmercenary.com/d/20020324.html) ROFL!

[Mephisto]

Computer virgin how-to-send-my-game-files instructions:

1.) Choose your shipset, use winzip to pack it into one file and send it as an attachment to me.

2.) Load Space Empires
3.) Start a new game
4.) Choose “Add new”
5.) Make your empire and then click on “create empire”
6.) Choose “Save to file”
7.) Say “no” when asked if you want to save your designs.
8.) Choose “New empire file”
9.) Start Windows Explorer
10.) Go to your Space Empires game folder
11.) If you have no mods installed, search in your \Space Empires IV\Empires folder for your empire file.
12.) If you have a mod installed, look in your \Space Empires IV\*Corresponding MOD Name\Empires folder for your empire file.
13.) Send me this files as an email attachment.

14.) Send me the password you want to use in your game.

Done.

My Email: Heavyload@gmx.de

[mac5732]

tks Mephisto, I'll give it a try later this wk, did you see the msg I left earlier on this thread in regards to possible bugs" any ideas?

I've been real busy at work, so I havn't had time to get on the forum or even play SE4 Gold at home, been putting in a good amt of overtime, hopfully, I should be caught up early this week.

GT after this past week, I intend to indulge myself with a quanity of brewskis here within the catina and to contemplate upon the universe according to the Tka-chik empire. As well as doing some off the cuff research into "Moose Kissing" and what the rewards of this phenomina might one indulge within his/her precepts of life.
Further, is this regulated to only one specific country or more reknown within the scope of the known world at large, and to what extent, could there be an epidemic of this strange custom out there somewhere? I shall conduct some scientific research into this new are and report my findings on this thread after close study.

Gryphin, glad you found a mate that takes an interest within the frame work of our gaming experience of SE4, just let her know to be easy on us lowly personna's when she joins the "posse", look foreward to enlighting her on the endeavors of righteousness discussions within our frame work.

SJ. I am interested in testing, but I don't know if I'll be able to give you the time you need, would this be a game I download and play myself or against other opponents? That would determine if I could help you out. I'm not all that computer literate, sigh,, but learning

just some ideas a verrryy tired helmeted mac

[Mephisto]

Hi Mac,
I saw your bug report. There could be several reasons for this. For example the minesweeper could have entered and then left again or one of the ships had a very big component that sucked in all the damage from the small mines without being destroyed.

Regarding connections: 2 friend of mine in my PBEM games are on 56K modems and it is no problem at all. The files I send you tend to be 500kb big, the files you send me are usually around 20kb. Remember, download time is not the limiting factor in a 48 hours game. We are not playing Counter Strike. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Saxon]

Moose kissing is sure to be practiced in Finland, but is probably spiced up with the odd reindeer thrown in for spice. Here in Kenya, the animal of choice is the Gnu, also known as the Bewilderedbeast. I understand that in England, there is a shortage of large animals, so a lot of cat kissing goes on. This may have something to do with repeated losses of SEIV games by some forum members.

[Suicide Junkie]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>SJ. I am interested in testing, but I don't know if I'll be able to give you the time you need, would this be a game I download and play myself or against other opponents? That would determine if I could help you out. I'm not all that computer literate, sigh, but learning<hr></blockquote>Sounds like you'd be perfect. In addition to the debugging, I need to know whether things make sense, and what needs more explaining.
The mod is so very different from standard SE4, that it is impossible to mod AIs for it. You could play "vs self", and I will probably start a PBW game for testing.
I think I might even make a tutorial for the mod.

I'll send you a PM with a link to the file.
Thanks. Every little bit helps http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Growltigga]

. Here in Kenya, the animal of choice is the Gnu, also known as the Bewilderedbeast

Yuk, that is horrible, moose kissing is one thing but snogging a wildebeest? how gross!

I understand that in England, there is a shortage of large animals, so a lot of cat kissing goes on. This may have something to do with repeated losses of SEIV games by some forum members.

No-one in England kisses cats as cats are far too cool and collected in indulge in anything so sordid as that.

The reason they keep on beating me at SEIV is just down to pure ability, mine being non-existent and theirs being paramount - believe me, until you have had one of your warp points breached by a swarm of whiskas class light cruisers and purina trout'n'salmon nibble class battlecruisers, you dont know what fear really is!

[mac5732]

UGH, I'm in similiar boat as PhoenixD, my hard drive on my home computer crashed Last night, I hope to get a new one sometime this week, a friend has a small spare one so I will try and get that installed next day or so, So I won't be on forum very much until then.

The only good part of this whole mess is that it frees my time up from GOLD to contemplate and research "Moose & Gnu Kissing" and into the unknown but much researched area of "Do cats really purr when they are happy or is this just a myth"... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

just some ideas a frusterated helmeted Mac

[Krsqk]

Must be a new record for this thread. Almost 19 hours between Posts! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[edit--Krsqk revisits elementary school to learn subtraction. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ]

[ 26 March 2002: Message edited by: Krsqk ]</p>

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by mac5732:
"Do cats really purr when they are happy or is this just a myth"... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr></blockquote>

yes they do only purr when they are happy,

you have to remeber that the little darlings dont just purr when being cuddled or sitting in your lap, they may be happy whilst savaging small furry rodents, chucking up on your nice maple floor or sitting on the bird table with a peanut on their nose and their mouths wide open

[Quikngruvn]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:
..."wheels within wheels, a pattern so grand and complex"
<hr></blockquote>


Oooh, a reference from Rush. Now I am impressed!

Between discussions of kissing large (and small) quadrupeds, hiding the bodies, and just general machismo (it practically reeks of testosterone in here), I can only come to one conclusion. As Sam the Eagle put it best, "You are all weirdos!"

Like I have room to talk.

Quikngruvn

[Gryphin]

Quikngruvn
Thankyou for the most genereous compliment though you did forget to mention the Gryphin Positon.

[Quikngruvn]

Not so much an oversight, Gryphin, than I simply couldn't wrap my mind around both the Gryphin position and moose-kissing.... (Acutally, I envision the Gryphin position as a cross between the Lotus position and 'praying at the altar of the Porcelain Goddess'....)

Quikngruvn

[Suicide Junkie]

Seems like as good a place as any to look for forum members...

Hey Mac5732, you've got mail! (P.M. to be precise)
Also, I've set up the beta game on PBW, so come join, eh!

[Saxon]

“wheels within wheels, ect and so forth.”

For some reason, my memory is suggesting that Rush may have stolen that from someone else. Blake seems to ring a bell. I will have a look when I get home. Any English majors, as opposed to English lawyers, out there to help?

As for the reek of testosterone, I must get a bit off topic. This thread is normally quite disciplined about staying on topic, but I shall digress. A couple of months ago I went to the Mr. Kenya Bodybuilding Championship. Towards the end of the night, it was getting really warm in the auditorium and you truly could smell the testosterone. The crowd was 85% men and everyone was going mad, jumping and shouting. It reminded me of seeing some of the big metal bands in the 90’s, the whole atmosphere was like a Ministry concert. As much as we try, I do not think we will quite reach that level of testosterone.

[mac5732]

hmmmm,, Moose & Gnu Kissing along with the Gryphin Position Combination, this sounds very intriging, might have to enlarge my scientific research into thses areas...

Quickngruvn
As for being weird, I to thank you for the compliment, http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif , the discussions on this thread are meant to enrich ones meaning of life as seen through the eyes of those who read our Posts, and besides, this is a bar & grill cantina, so any and every topic (within reason) is allowed. So if your ever blue, down, depressed, hyper active, or just want to contemplate upon the wonders of the universe, pull up a chair, grab a brewski, tweak a cats tail, kiss a Moose or Gnu, join in and and enliven your inner self, let yourself gooooo http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

just some ideas mac5732

[Saxon]

Blake liked to read the Old Testament, usually following the ingestion of various substances, so I wouldn’t be shocked if he had a few extra wheels spinning in his head.

My copy of Gold has arrived. Only problem is that it has arrived in Canada. I will pick it up and be back, ready to go, around April 15.

[Quikngruvn]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by capnq:
Google comes up with, among other things, Ezekiel 1:16 and Arthur Miller's "The Crucible".

But the first thing I thought of was Dusty Springfield's "Windmills of Your Mind". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr></blockquote>

I wouldn't be surprised if Rush 'borrowed' the line, as much as they drew from literature....

Thanks for the welcome, Mac. As long as the beer wench doesn't look like a wildebeest, I think everything will be copacetic.

Saxon: I thought that much testosterone in a room would be lethal....

Quikngruvn

[capnq]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> “wheels within wheels, ect and so forth.”
For some reason, my memory is suggesting that Rush may have stolen that from someone else. Blake seems to ring a bell. <hr></blockquote>Google comes up with, among other things, Ezekiel 1:16 and Arthur Miller's "The Crucible".

But the first thing I thought of was Dusty Springfield's "Windmills of Your Mind". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Wizarc]

Knock

Knock

Whats going on in here?
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Growltigga]

I am impressed that so many of you are obviously closet Rush fans - I believe Neil Peart highjacked the wording from Poul Andersen who in turn highjacked it from Blake

Anyone care to name the song and album?

Quikngruvn - yep, the Cantina is a place to chill and indulge in a little SEIV related posturing and, as the song says, if you dont what you see here, get the funk out etc

Saxon, I am not going to even to ask what you were doing at a Kenyan muscleman competition - were you helping them grease themselves up or something? Hmm, methinks the public have the right to know

Moose kissers is a slang territorial army term for Canadians who, I might add, I had the honour to go on exercise with. It is actually a term of affection. You dont even want to think about what we called american soldiers
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ 28 March 2002: Message edited by: Growltigga ]</p>

[Saxon]

Tigga,

Sometimes I wonder what you are thinking. I was obviously at the muscleman show looking for big bruisers to keep my staff in line. I figure a ratio of three enforcers to each staff member will focus the workers on their duties. Naturally, when things get out of line, you lose a few people and need to get replacements.

If you want to get very odd, put a Rush CD in your CD drive while playing SEIV. You will find that it takes different tracks at different times of the game. Think of the different music in the game and then drop in random tracks from your favorite Rush album. One guy claims that the game runs faster if you put in Tubular Bells, Mike Oldfeild, I think. Very old thread in the forum.

[mac5732]

Saxon, glad you got your gold, is everyone who is going to play the Galactic Bash want to try getting started sometime at the end of next week, or should we wait until everyone has a chance at the gold????

As for Testrone levels, believe me, at my age ANY testrone level is quite an experience to have http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

GT, then "Moose Kissing" is a Canadian only concept?? What about the "Kenya Gnu Smooching"? My, my, so many new and different directions for research, sigh, I don't know if I'll ever catch up, just researching "Circle the Wagons" and The Gryphin Position" takes up so much time let alone the injuries to ones wrist while cking the various aahh, eerrr, scientific sites found on the net.

BY all means, everyone who reads this thread is more then welcome to drop in, have a brewski or two and enjoy yourselves and post whatever you would like (within reason).

Also in regards to the Cantina serving Wenches, I'm afraid they are hired by Growltigga and The Gryphin, so we are at their mercy in this area of enjoyment, however I have already let them be aware of what I enjoy in this far reaching regard when it comes to the bouncing activities of the serving employees, and if you check out earlier in the G&G thread you would see that GT has much experience at sipping toddies and enjoying the finer aspects of oooggglinng world wide, and as for the Gryphin, the man attracts them like fleas on a cat http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif so I would say I don't think we have any wilderbeasts here, BUT, then again one never knows

[tesco samoa]

I like to put cd's by

The Fall and

The Orb in.

Right Now it is Rebirth of Cool Vol 11

Hey Tigga did you grow up listening to Punk ??

[Growltigga]

Nah, I am not that old Tesco and except for memorable renditions of Anarchy in the UK a la Sex Pistols, I was more a glam rocker in my youth

Was well into all those Californian bands like night ranger, poison, tony macalpine etc

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Saxon:
Tigga,

Sometimes I wonder what you are thinking. I was obviously at the muscleman show looking for big bruisers to keep my staff in line. I figure a ratio of three enforcers to each staff member will focus the workers on their duties. Naturally, when things get out of line, you lose a few people and need to get replacements.

If you want to get very odd, put a Rush CD in your CD drive while playing SEIV. You will find that it takes different tracks at different times of the game. Think of the different music in the game and then drop in random tracks from your favorite Rush album. One guy claims that the game runs faster if you put in Tubular Bells, Mike Oldfeild, I think. Very old thread in the forum.<hr></blockquote>

Saxon, I find your excuse as to why you were attending the Mr Muscle competition as extremely spurious - is there a darker side of your character you would like to confess to your compatriots on the forum?

I do put Rush on the CD when playing SEIV - some of their more instrumental numbers are quite excellent during combat - almost as good as I my megadeath compilation CD

Mike Oldfield has weird effects on one when playing the computer, more a case of Tubular Bowels one feels

[Gryphin]

Wizarc
"What's going on in here?", Pull up a chair, let your hair down and join us. Short of the standard "forum etiquette" restrictions including but not limited to Flaming and referances to R rated activeties, just about anything on or off topic goes. A lot of banter, (which is how this got started).
Welcome and Enjoy

[mac5732]

tis tooo quite at the old bar & grill cantina, hopefully, My hard drive will be replaced this weekend. everyone have happy easter or whatever you celebrate

just some ideas mac

[tesco samoa]

Yes I have noticed that as well.

Hmmmmmm

'All I said was that there was trouble down at mill....'

[capnq]

Maybe this will stir things up. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

For anybody who uses Yahoo!Groups, they've changed their Privacy Policy to allow them to spam you. The default settings give them permission to send you offers in every Category by every contact method they have on file for you.

To block this spam:

1) Go to Yahoo! (http://www.yahoo.com)

2) Scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the link for Updated Privacy Policy.

3) Scroll down to the section about editing your marketing preferences, and click on the marketing preferences link. You'll need to log in with your Yahoo! member ID at this point.

4) Edit your preferences.

[mac5732]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

mac

[Gryphin]

capnq
Does Yahoo have an SE IV news letter?

[capnq]

A quick search on Yahoo!Groups for "Space Empires" gives 17 hits, 6 or 7 of which are about SE IV. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

None of which I belong to; I found out about the privacy changes from someone else in a group about Steve Jackson Games' _Transhuman Space_.

[mac5732]

NON-Modder vs Machine Part II

I"m back you hunk of metal putridness, yes, you know I'm here, but I'm ready, I've done my homework, I've asked for help from those on the Fourm, ha, ha, You sneaky pile of mechanical evilness, Thought you'd get me by crashing my Hard Drive did ya, WRONG, I've replaced and re-loaded. I;m ready..... my wife is in the next room, warned ahead of time of my upcoming battle with your pugness of deceit and hidden agendas. (especially since she didn't talk to me for 3 days the Last time) I boot, everything goes right, I go to the SE4Gold Directory, I look, the laucher is still there, TDM-Modpack is there, but now I know what I did wrong, I go to path, scroll down, find the word "none" way over on the right of my screen where it was out of my sight. I slowly delete and put in TDM-Modpack, I relaunch, THERE in the Mod section under None is the mod pack, shaking with excitement I ever so carefully clik on Play SEIN... and there it is in all its glory. I did it.. you pile of recycled tin cans, your defeated, ha, ha... I then clik on the other mods, they all load and go into the launcher. I'm so excited I feel like I'm 40 again.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I also feel like a dumb ja....., once I figured out what I was doing wrong, 1 word, 1 stinking word, was all it was, that and not moving the slide bar.
uuusgggghhhhh.

Tesco, Mephisto, Saxon, Imperator Fyron, SJ, Val, PhoenixD, Gryphin and all the rest, I thank you all for the help, I'm embarassed because of my dumbness, http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif But now I know..

an excited but embarassed mac

[Suicide Junkie]

Yay, mac's back!

Check out the PBW P&N v2.6 test game. I don't think you've gotten in there yet.

[Mephisto]

Glad you made it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by mac5732:
tis tooo quite at the old bar & grill cantina<hr></blockquote>

You are right Mac, this bar is far too quiet and is obviously too full of shandy drinking north americans http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

the Gryphin and Growltigga thread was far more testosterone fuelled and busier! must be the effect Gryph et moi have on y'all.

Mac, I have lost your PM address hence no response to your emauil giving me that naughty dutch site - send me another

[Gryphin]

More information than you needed? Sure, but it gave you something to respond to.

At least you have a garage. They come in handy for hiding Avon ladys. Your Garage is probably bigger than my entire apartment.

I ready when you are.

There is something about you and me GT:
We just posted simultaneously to "new player struggleing" My sweetheart is begginning to wonder about us.

[ 02 April 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]</p>

[Growltigga]

Well, there is something about us, you are the short sighted line dancer with the stetson, the furry unmentionable on your lip and the energetic sweetheart

I am the good looking charming suave polyglot with a double garage which is now covered in flashboard, a headache, 3 cats, 1 wife, a ferret and a 7 year old Renault Clio which is currently only held together by the stubborn understains and rust (a bit like Mac's underwear actually)

I need this week to get sorted and then next weekend, we shall kick off the game - still not sure what shipset etc will use)

[Gryphin]

Well, there is something about us, you are the short sighted line dancer with the stetson, the furry unmentionable on your lip and the energetic sweetheart

Correction: I am not short sighted,
I have Retinitis Pigmentosa
This results in Tunnel Vision, Night Blindness, and about half the color vision most people have
Comment: Glot, that I would belive
Comment: Poly? And you thought I was strange
Comment: The rest of the description, No Comment
Question: How would you know about the condition of macs garmets. No wait, I don’t want to know.
Question: Are you Gold yet or will it be 1.49?

[mac5732]

How did my un-mentionables get brought into this discussion??, Ya know, I was wondering why all of a sudden some of them disappeared, I always thought my wife took them out to the landfill and burned or buried them, or, I was getting senile and just forgot where I dropped them, hmmmm, have to change to locks on my doors.

Serious note: Saxon I believe is traveling this week and next if I remember right, He should be somewhere in Canada, We might have to wait until we hear from him before we start. Other then that I think everyone else is ready, If not please let us know, so we can plan and get ready

just some ideas mac

[mac5732]

GT, my mother-in-law has all the recipes that were posted, she hasn't tried them yet, but she said she is going to, also gave Tesco's and Puke's recipe to friend of ours, she & her husband plan on using them for cook out season.

PS. Tesco, never got the sauce,

just some ideas mac

[Gryphin]

As far as your garmets getting into this, you know anything goes. I just wonder how he knows.

[capnq]

BTW mac, I've replied to your PM.

[ Edit ] Since when did I make General??? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I only noticed my promotion a few minutes ago.

[ 02 April 2002: Message edited by: capnq ]</p>

[Gryphin]

Testoterone? Mine is drained. My sweetheart is taking all I have.

[Growltigga]

Gryphin, thank you for providing far more information than any of us really wanted!!

count yourself lucky, the one free day from work I had over Easter was spend sticking flashboard over the holes in my garage roof - I would frankly be happier de-fluffing my naval with a hoover.

On a serious note, we are about to commence this international intergalactic interdimensional challenge are we not?

[Saxon]

Yep, I fly out Friday night and will be back the 15th. Would it help if I got my act together and sent Mephisto my race info now? The Killer Easter Bunnies from Hell is my latest thought on a species.

[mac5732]

Capnq, got your answer, tks, I'll use the bigger one, tks again congrats on your promotion

Saxon, go ahead and send them to Mephisto if you want to, just let us know when your back and ready, meantime it'll give the rest of us some time to get the final touches together. have safe trip, watch out for kissing Moose http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Gryphin, I must agree with your inquiry http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

just some ideas mac

[ 03 April 2002: Message edited by: mac5732 ]</p>

[tesco samoa]

So what else is up ??
I have been really busy the Last few weeks.

[mac5732]

Tesco, Growltigga and Gryphin conversing as usual, Saxon enroute to Moose Kissing Country, I finaly beat the metal monster and was able to download the mods of the gold cd, embarrasing myself as usual, everyone getting ready for the galactic showdown, we need to know if your friends are going to join in, Mephisto as been kind enough to host, so later this or early next week we'll all have to discuss the final setup for the game, Oh and lock your doors at home, there is a rumor that someone or something is removing ones unmentionables from the premisis,
weird huh, as you can see, just the usual goings on http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

just some ideas mac

[Saxon]

Gee, all this concern about the kissing of moose. Given the looks of some of the ladies in Ohio (Mac’s wife is from out of state) I am surprised that there is not more of this kind of activity going on.

I had hoped to stop in London and see if Shreck really looks like Shreck, but unfortunately he lives about a million miles from where I though he did, so that will not be possible. Instead, I will ask him to confirm a rumour that I have been told. Is it true that I can get a pint at 5 AM on Cowcross St.? There is said to be some legislative error that allows them to serve very early in the day.

Oh, on a different note, I must crow. I am in a three way PBEM game with some friends and have just scored a major victory. Something about having waited nine months to get to this point really adds to the pleasure. That said, I must reiterate that AI races should be left out of our game, they do make things unequal. I get the EEE as neighbors, you get the Rage, hmm, who has it easier?

[tesco samoa]

Some go set up the game in PBW and drop a line here saying what game it is. Then we can go join it.

And set a milestone on the start date.

I will adjust accordingly to the rules.

[Growltigga]

Glot, that I would belive, Poly? and you thought I was strange

polyglot means someone who speaks several Languages which I do (french, spanish and a small amount of german and greek)

Are you Gold yet or will it be 1.49?

I have gone gold today but doubt I will be able to instal over the weekend. BUT AGAIN I HAVE BEEN HIT BY IMPORT DUTY OF $6 ON SHIPPING THE DAMN THING IN - WHY IS IT ONLY ME WHO GETS THIS? IT IS NOT FAIR!!

I am going to have a sulk

[Growltigga]

. Is it true that I can get a pint at 5 AM on Cowcross St.? There is said to be some legislative error that allows them to serve very early in the day.

Cowcross Street? that is behind the Savoy Hotel isn't it? I recall that there used to be some daft provision for bankruptees in the 1800's that meant they could be arrested and thrown into debtors' jail if caught anywhere in England, except for around the Savoy Hotel which was technically, part of the Duchy of Savoy and therefore had extraterritoriality - that may be why this bar can serve alochol so late/early (depending on your point of view) but I have never been and dont know.

I would say that if you need a pint that badly at 5 am then 2 things spring to mind

1 you have not roistered enough that night if you still need alcohol at that time of the morning - me, I am normally curled up in a gutter cuddling a kebab and dribbling by 11.30pm or

2 you are starting way too early

I would be interested to know how you get on and how many Moose you 'make it with' (is that the correct American phrase?) whilst you are in BC

[Gryphin]

posted in the "my first coputer was..." thread
"Mesh 800 hertz athlon
do you get the feeling I am joining the computer revolution late?"
I guess I could get derisive but that would not be gentlemanly of me.
Welcome abord, better late than never.

[Growltigga]

Yeah yeah Gryphin, I did not have a computer as I was being too healthy getting lots of fresh air, playing sports and drinking

[Gryphin]

GT,
I'm sorry, I forgot how young you are.
mac and I are still not sure how you know about the condition of his unmentionabls.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
mac and I are still not sure how you know about the condition of his unmentionabls.<hr></blockquote>

Well elementary my dear Watson, deducted from inference

PS the sad thing is that he is not denying anything

[ 05 April 2002: Message edited by: Growltigga ]</p>