The Council of Wyrms

[djo]

Cainehill said:
Atlantis, Arco or Ermor, any of y'all gotten your turns yet?



If you have a spam filter, note that this turn went out (to the M's, anyway) with no subject in the email.



Zooko said:
Does anyone have advice on how to exterminate an infestation of spies?



They are tourists, not spies! After a hard day's work in Marignon, they just want to see the sights, take some photos, have a few beers...is that so wrong???

[Wish]

crank your PD up to around 11 and set relatively large groups of fast troops (like flying troops) to patrol

[Rathar]

This game is really fun to look in on!

Rathar

[Ygorl]

I hear tell that "Watchers" are very good at noticing sneaky folks.

[Reverend Zombie]

I got my Arco turn.

[Cainehill]

Reverend Zombie said:
I got my Arco turn.



Any chance you could send me the Abysia turn? Thanks.

[The Panther]

Hey,

I finally got internet connection in my apartment just now! I am back up and running on my lovely desktop. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Hopefully, things will be back to normal after all this craziness of driving across our beautiful country. Sometime this evening, I will send out a status mail for Turn 48. I also sent the Abysia turn to Cainehill again.

I did notice that I forgot to include a subject in my emails for Turn 48, which meant some of the email filters could have rejected it. Tuesday night, I had been sneaking around the apartment complex for a free connection, but everyone here has security enabled on their wireless routers. I eventually parked in front of the Comfort Inn in Springfield since I knew they had an unprotected wireless connection. So I did the turn emails in a huge hurry, and I am glad it mostly worked.

Anyway, look for a new proclamation sometime this week. I will be assisting one of our non-native-English speaking players in the wording a tight proposal. Pity the nation targeted! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Ygorl]

That is dedication from a host!
We all appreciate it.

As for the target... Well, I hope it's not me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
And surely, once one war erupts, others cannot be too far behind.

[Cainehill]

And should it be Abysia .... I _hunger_ for new feasts!

Vyrmin of Abysia

[PashaDawg]

Someone should do a cartoon strip of Panther sneaking around for an internet connection!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Jurri]

Wouldn't that offend the religious feelings of his followers?

[Morkilus]

An increase of the bounty for Bogus has been posted. Get your bounty hunters ready!

http://yarnspinners.improbable.org/Wyrms/index.php?title=Bounties

[The Panther]

Turn 49 has been sent. C'tis has staled again.

The wyrm duel was a complete bust:
1. King James summoned some imps.
2. Sak killed a couple of the imps.
3. The coward James promptly retreated.

I suppose this means that Sak was victorious since he stayed put, but it is difficult to say exactly what was won...

The next deadline in Sunday at 5 PM EST. If I do not hear from the staling C'tis soon, it will be time for a war proposal from Ronan.

[Zooko]

BWARGH! I have no satisfaction! I think the all-too-clever King James sent imps to die in order to frighten himself away!

And he continues to send spies, assassins bearing Skull Talismen, and preachers to sneak into my lands!

BWARGH!

[Cainehill]

Err.... If it makes you feel better, I could eat you both?

Vyrmin of Abysia

[djo]

I'm so embarrassed...

I entirely forgot about the "summoned creatures can make you rout, too" business.

If you look at the way I was equipped, and the other spells I would have cast, you would see that I intended to fight it out.

If Sak wishes to stay in the province one more turn, I will cede him the advantage of defense and attack next turn (with a new script).

[Ygorl]

That's a wyrmly wyrm!

If someone could post a transcript or screenshots or something of the new (real) battle, that would be lovely. I unfortunately don't have any sneakers anywhere remotely close...

[The Panther]

Note to all COW players:

I have fixed my email problems. It seems that the COX internet provider will NOT send an email message from a comcast.net account (it probably has something to do with being a competitor). Anyway, this means I now have another new email account.

I don't want to post it here because of all the bots searching forums for email addresses to send spam. But I will say that my account is the same name as my old one except change the '@comcast.net' to '@cox.net'.

Also, I will continue to receive all incoming mail from my comcast account for the indefinite future.

[Ygorl]

There is, by the way, a proposition up before the council. Something about some oceans somewhere...

[puffyn]

Voting on Proposition28 has been extended by 24 as we failed to have a quorum (by one vote) in the first 24 hour period*.

Go and exercise your Wyrmly duties:
Proposition28 (http://yarnspinners.improbable.org/Wyrms/index.php?title=Proposition28)

*Note that this proposition counts as a normal weekday proposition as it was posted shortly before the weekend cutoff as currently designated in the Charter (which specifies the cut-off as a time in GMT - 7 (despite the hosting schedule now being specified in GMT - 5)).

[Cainehill]

Just to point out : payment negotiated was for one month's use of my lands, and I have only received recompense from one of the Wyrms involved.

[Ygorl]

Another new proposition. Excitement!

[Zooko]

Sorry about being late on the rent for the duel ground. I have all these spies to deal with, you know.

Also I had a nap last month, although it appears that the world slowed down so that I didn't miss anything. Thanks, folks!

[Zooko]

Okay, I will stay in Azimar in order to have a proper duel!

Unfortunately, being surrounded by all these heathen disbelievers has sapped some of my magic resistance, strength, and hit points. In fact, I have shrunk to a mere 120 hit points and will perhaps have even fewer by the time the battle starts, where King James, having retreated to a land of KingJamesWorshippers, might have around three times that!

Nonetheless, I am fearless and well prepared!

BWARGH!

P.S. I'll pay rent next month.

[Huntsman]

Sorry for the recent stales but I've been busy with trying to get my Real Life back on track after my recent lay off. I wish I had more time to get into the diplomacy and the wiki and such but right now I'm just flat out swamped (no pun intended) with getting my new business established. I'm going to try to do my turns in 24 hours max and Icheck the wiki for voting but I doubt I'll have the time to do cool pics and RP stories like before...but maybe I can return to that in a few weeks (assuming Ctis is still alive!).

Thanks for understanding. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[The Panther]

Turn 50 has been sent. No one staled.

The next deadline in Tuesday at 5 PM EST.

Sak of the Raptors got utterly crushed in the duel. Astral weapon and astral shield was everything that James needed. The astral shield paralyzed Sak and reduced his att/def to zero. The astral weapon then eliminated the protection with armor piercing. James was attacking against a totally defenseless wyrm. Such a slaughter indeed!

Unfortunately for him, Sak did not have a power spell like W9 frozen heart to counteract the astral spells.

Even had both wryms started with the same HPs (see zooko post above), it still would have been no contest.

[Zooko]

Ouch. I guess I was hoping Sak would summon Lesser Earth Elementals or something. Astral Shield paralysis is negated by Magic Resistance, right? So while extra hit points wouldn't have helped, extra magic resistance might have?

[Zooko]

Oh, I see that he did summon lesser elementals.

Also I see that both wyrms were equally penalized on Magic Resistance for being in enemy dominion.

[The Panther]

Sak did summon both earth and water elementals, but they were no match for the etheral and lucky King James. Only one of the elementals got in a hit (doing minor damage) before dying.

And yes, magic resistance does reduce the chance of paralyze from the astral shield.

Also, Sak built up his protection all the way to 27 with earth magic just to have the astral weapon negate it. This is another indication showing how defense is far superior to protection.

[Cainehill]

I had thought that fatigue recovery might allow Sak to prevail, but the decided lack of spell casting AI post-turn 5 also contributed to his death. (Earth Meld? Slime? Sheesh - it's why I would've gone melee after 5.)

I'd counter Panther's statement though - defense is superior to protection mostly in wyrmo-a-wyrmo, 1 on 1 battles, and even then only if you have the ability to overcome the protection.

Much lengthier battle this time though.

("Now can I teleport in to reclaim my land?" - Vyrmin of Abysia) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Ygorl]

I hate to be a goober, but... I didn't get the turn file yet. Last time it took this long to arrive, it didn't come until the middle of the night. With the delay, that would give me pretty much no time to actually take the turn before the deadline. Would somebody (Panther? Another M?) mind posting it here for me?

Thanks!

[Zooko]

Well, even if the AI were actually I, what could it have done? I had the idea that fatigue recovery plus high levels of magic would let Sak do something useful, but I'm not sure what.

[puffyn]

Hope this helps

[Ygorl]

Yup. Thanks a lot!

[Morkilus]

I didn't get the file either.

[Ygorl]

Somebody send it to him quickly, so I can get my dang hammer!
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[djo]

I don't have time for a turn-by-turn write-up of the duel, but it went like this:

Sak: 120 hp, 9W6E, horror helm, girdle of might, bracers of prot

King James: 300hp, 3E3S2B, 2xgore helmet, lucky pendant, ring of cold prot

- Sak cast quickness (no surprise), then some stuff, then reeled off 2 lesser earth elementals and 3 lesser water elementals (it was the AI that cast 4 of those, believe it or not); after that, the AI cast the usual junk-slime, etc.

- King James went with body ethereal, astral shield and weapon, the earth strength thing, then horror mark (because wyrms can be petty)

King James tore through the 5 elementals and went for Sak. It only took a few turns. Had the hit points been as they were for the first duel, before Sak spent a turn in Vyrmin's dominion (Sak had 200 hp before), it would have only taken a few turns longer. KJ was still close to 300 hp when Sak died.

I brainstormed with a friend (who is a much better optimizer than me) about the duel and we figured that since (a) wyrms have so many hit points, and (b) the AI never chooses spells well, hand-to-hand was the only way to go. Thus, the astral fighting wyrm--with doubled attacks, thanks to the 2 gore helmets.

The first time around, the imps were just meant to disrupt Sak's script while I cast the rest of my spells.

Vyrmin, KJ is leaving your province. We lowered taxes on the way out, so you may not even have any unrest.

[Ygorl]

I've put some trinkets up for sale in a brand-new section of the Wiki, in case anyone's interested.

And djo made the brand-new section even better! Wikis are cool... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Zooko]

In fact, all the elementals were cast by the AI. I optimistically scripted Sak to cast Quickness, Summon Earthpower, and then "do as you will". :-)

Thanks for the instant replay.

[The Panther]

Turn 51 has been sent out. I wonder why people are not getting the files, but at least no one staled.

The next deadline is Thursday at 5 PM EST.

[Ygorl]

This one came in no problem. I don't know why, occasionally, they don't. Anyway, thanks for hosting!

[Reverend Zombie]

I think I'll be staling this time. I don't recall receiving this turn.

[Cainehill]

Attaching it here - you should've said something earlier.

[Reverend Zombie]

Thanks!

[The Panther]

Turn 52 has been sent out. The next deadline is Sunday at 5 PM EST.

[Folket]

I am offering 500 gold for a winged helmet or bag of air.

[Cainehill]

500 gold? Consider Abysia your friend in need - we can send one this very turn, if you're likewise sending the gold this turn. I can even give you your choice of whether I send the helmet or the bag of air.

[Folket]

Will you send both for 800 gold?

[Folket]

I will send you 500 gold this turn, and then if you agre to my offer I will send you 300 gold next turn as well.

[PashaDawg]

WoW! Gold gold gold!

[Cainehill]

Agreed - I'll send the one this turn, and the other the turn after.

[Zooko]

I'll sell a Winged Helmet and/or a Bag of Wind! Ready to ship. Say the word. I could use the money since spies have disturbed my subjects from their productive labors.

[Ygorl]

This would have been a *perfect* opportunity to use the new Marketplace section on the game's webpage!
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Really, I'm just jealous that I missed out on the opportunity.

[The_Tauren13]

The great nation of T'ien Ch'i is willing to sell magic path boosters for any of your needs. See the marketplace (http://yarnspinners.improbable.org/Wyrms/index.php?title=Marketplace) for details.

[Folket]

Well if you want to compete, offer me lower prices. At the moment I will buy from Vyrmin of Abysia for 800 gold.

[puffyn]

There's a new proposition over on the wiki, entitled "Expansion of the Sea War", which is, I believe, the first proposition to include a logo.

Also, there are pearls involved.

Please go <a href=http://yarnspinners.improbable.org/Wyrms/index.php?title=Proposition30>vote</a>!

-Apep

[Folket]

I have sent my money to Abysia. Appearantly noone was intrested in my action.

[Ygorl]

I just didn't want to try to cut in on a deal that you two seemed to have already agreed on. In the future, though, you might be able to get a lively bidding war going in the marketplace.

Puffyn, very nice logo. I take pride in being the D.

[The Panther]

Turn 52 has been sent. Machaka staled.

The next turn is due Tuesday at 8 PM EST.

ARGH! Should have been Turn 53...

[The Panther]

Turn 54 has been sent. The next deadline is 5 PM EST on Thursday.

[Folket]

Is the new turn sent?

[Wish]

I did not get it, if it was. I think it is late.

[The Panther]

Turn 55 has been sent.

It was delayed because Atlantis sent the wrong file and the Machaka file failed to work. Machaka managed to fix the file problem with a new email, but I never heard back from Atlantis. Thus, Atlantis staled, as I could not wait any longer.

The next turn is due Sunday at 5 PM EST.

[The Panther]

Turn 56 has been sent. Caelum and Ermor both staled.

The next turn is due Tuesday at 5 PM, EST.

[Ygorl]

Ygorl figured everyone (er, most everyone... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ) could use a bit of the bounty from the Well... It is y'all's misery, after all.

[Morkilus]

Uh... what does the well do again? I thought you just got free gems.

(sharpening my legislation Owl Quill)

[Ygorl]

It converts everyone's unhappiness into death gems. Happy subjects work harder, which is why everyone's income jumped. I thought it would be in-character for the renewed tripartite wyrm to express his gratitude to the world.

You can put down the Quill... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Arralen]

I'm sorry folks to say that, but I must
request for the game to be put on hold! I'm looking for a replacement player for Machaka !

Atm. I'm self-employed and I'll have to undergo some minor surgery soon. Ambulant, I hope. Nevertheless, my working shedule is already messed up, and I can't simple take a sick-leave from several projects I'm committed to.

As you may have noticed, I already had some stale turns, either from being unable to do the turn in time because of acute pain attack or being under pain killers, or because I was simply still doing some serious work which got delayed.

Especially unfortunate is the fact that writing all the diplomatic messages I intended to send around turns out to be real hard work which I can't bear atm.. You may have noticed English isn't my first language, and to write elaborate treatises, carefully worded diplomatic messages or simply role-playing on the wiki board is not that easy for me.

Again, I'm sorry. But the only alternative would be to turn the nation over to the AI, which I'm reluctant to do because this tends to ruin the game for the emidiate neighbours in one or the other way.

Thanks.
Stefan

[Huntsman]

Sorry to hear, Stefan. Good luck with the surgery and hope you get better soon.

[Ygorl]

Good luck with the surgery... I hope it turns out well. Don't feel bad about the game. There are far more important things than Dominions... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[RonD]

Good luck with it Stefan. I'm glad to see the word "minor" - and I hope it will have make for a major improvement for you.

[Arralen]

Looks like we don't get a replacement player soon. My suggestion:

Let someone of the players with only a handful of provinces take over for me.


Btw., thanks for your good wishes. I still have no idea how things will go on - ask 3 physicians what's wrong and you'll get 3 different answers. What is sure, though, that 2 wisdoom teeth which didn't "break through correctly" have to be dug out. I'm really looking forward to that. And maybe some more cutting &amp; poking in the maxillary antrum (looked that up for you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ) because they can't figure out if the sinusitis is allergic or not.

[Huntsman]

Is there a turn due today? I never got turn 57..

[Cainehill]

While Panther hasn't posted, I believe the game is on hold for reasons noted in the previous half dozen posts.

[RonD]

Any status update?

[The Panther]

I am open to opinions on what to do. Perhaps somewyrm ought to put up a proposal. If I had some time, I might actually give it some thought!

[RonD]

Over in the General forum, Shovah volunteered to take over Machaka. I don't suppose Arralen left his password with any 3rd party, though.

[puffyn]

Perhaps, to increase the odds someone would be willing to jump in, we should propose an amendment to the Wyrm's charter granting Full Dragon Suffrage, to wit:


Proposition XX: The right of the citizens of Orania to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the Council or by any Wyrm on account of dragonhood.


That way, any sub would get the full, wyrmalicious experience of bickering about arcane rules and propsition sub-clauses that we Wyrms so enjoy.

-puffyn

[Alneyan]

RonD said:
Over in the General forum, Shovah volunteered to take over Machaka. I don't suppose Arralen left his password with any 3rd party, though.



There is always the Master Password, a wonderful word of power that unlocks all doors. It is currently in the hands of the most honourable chancellor - that is, myself.

[Arralen]

I have PMed Shovah but received no answer up to now ... .

[Cainehill]

Alneyan said:

RonD said:
Over in the General forum, Shovah volunteered to take over Machaka. I don't suppose Arralen left his password with any 3rd party, though.



There is always the Master Password, a wonderful word of power that unlocks all doors. It is currently in the hands of the most honourable chancellor - that is, myself.



But the MP is a word of great temptation as well - I hate to think of it being given to a player, as they can then look at all nations turns. (Possibly not so big a deal with pbem, not having access to all turn files.)

[Alneyan]

Cainehill said:
But the MP is a word of great temptation as well - I hate to think of it being given to a player, as they can then look at all nations turns. (Possibly not so big a deal with pbem, not having access to all turn files.)



Yup, any player with the Master Password should not get any other .trn file. A slightly more drastic approach would be to systematically send individual mails to all players, so that nobody has access to any other .trn file (that would prevent a "hey nice replacing player, care to tell me that Master Password?" situation). So long as it *isn't* TCP/IP, the Master Password can be used to "recover" lost problems; in TCP/IP, it won't do much good, unless TCP/IP servers create logs somewhere.

There should be other ways to work around the problem (getting the files from FTP/HTTP, say), but the basic principle remains the same. Not that it will be necessary this time around.

[Cainehill]

At a week from the last turn, it seems shovah isn't taking Machaka over. There's a limit to how long a game can be kept on hiatus and still have all the players around and interested, so it seems like something ought to be decided.

[Arralen]

He has taken over.
Just heard from him 1.5 hours ago that he finally got the unzipping of the files to work ok.

Guess he's reading the messages and notes now and looking into the turn.

So the game should go on within short time.

See you, folks, and have fun !

Stefan

[shovah]

just recently got it to work, what email do i send my turn to?

[Cainehill]

Panther @ cox.net

[shovah]

and just to be sure what file do i send (please dont go technical on me)

is it .2h or .trn

[Cainehill]

Send the ".2h" file - easy way to remember it, is that it stands for what you send "to host".

[shovah]

ok

[puffyn]

Welcome, shovah, and good luck...

Panther, what's the status of the new turn?

[The Panther]

I have been out of town since Wendesday, but I am home now. I did check email a couple of times (but not the forum) while I was gone to keep up with things.

I am still waiting on a turn file from Shovah. It never came through.

[shovah]

ive resent it, hope it works

[The Panther]

Turn 57 has been sent. The game is underway again with the old schedule of Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday at 5 PM Eastern Standard Time (GMT-5). Also, please note that the time will change to daylight savings time in a couple of weeks, which will be GMT-4 (or GDT-5).

The next deadline is Tuesday at 5 PM EST.

[Folket]

When is it hosted. I can't play my turn before tuesday unless I find CB 5.0 somewhere.

[The Panther]

Folket said:
When is it hosted. I can't play my turn before tuesday unless I find CB 5.0 somewhere.



I emailed you the 5.0 CB complete file. Let me know if it works properly.

[Cainehill]

The Panther said:
Turn 57 has been sent.



And there was much rejoicing! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[RonD]

... and much knashing of teeth, trying to remember passwords.

[The Panther]

Turn 58 has been sent. The next deadline is Thursday at 5 PM EST.

[shovah]

if anyone is looking for bloodslaves pm me

[Ygorl]

I've got a new and exciting proposition up:
http://yarnspinners.improbable.org/Wyrms/index.php?title=Proposition31

Cheers!

[The Panther]

Turn 59 has been sent. Atlantis has staled.

The next deadline is Sunday at 5 PM EST.

[Jurri]

Those graphs sure look unlike anything I've ever seen in a game... What a freaky-looking situation!

Oh, yeah, I'm the third head of Lord Pasha (ah, the ever-surprising anatomy of wyrmkind!), currently residing over the kingdom of Ulm while the other two heads hibernate for a couple of months in someplace warm. You got a beef (a beef, as in a COW) to pick with Pasha, you come to me!

[Wish]

I notice the graphs say that rlyeh is losing their war, probably the first wyrm to be permenently removed from council, soon.

[The Panther]

There is a new Proposition for wyrms to consider:
http://yarnspinners.improbable.org/Wyrms/index.php?title=Proposition32#Proposition

[The_Tauren13]

Proposition 31 doesnt seem to have a quorum... and yet it has been marked as passed.

[Wish]

Whoever marked it as passed was in the wrong, then, as a quorum is required, and whatever action was acted upon an unpassed proposition, must be rescinded or the nation would have to face roguehood.

[Morkilus]

Actually, according to the main page, there are two dead Wyrms, making 14 possible votes; apparently there were seven votes by the deadline, making quorum.

Suli-Krom, Vice Chairwyrm

[puffyn]

There are 17 races in the game.

There is 1 dragon with no vote.

There are/were 2 Wyrms listed as being dead during the voting on Proposition 31.

This leaves 14 eligible Wyrms. The quorum rules state that at least 50% of these must vote. 7 votes were cast before the first 24-hour period expired. I therefore ruled that the proposition passed.

The only problem I can see is if one of the dead Wyrms (Sak or Oothoon) is back from the dead and has neglected to tell us.

[Morkilus]

The new proposition is definitely... interesting. Despite the position I've already taken on Man's temple-building practices, I'd like to see what other Wyrms (especial Ygorl) have to say, hopefully before the quorum deadline.

Suli-Krom

[The Panther]

It made a quorum, but barely. Seven of the 14 living wurms voted in the first 24 hours.

That is assuming that Sak is still dead, which we all believe to be true.

[puffyn]

Please note that voting for proposition 32 has been extended since no quorum was reached. It now closes approximately 21 hours from now (see the wiki for the exact time if you care).

[The Panther]

I have withdrawn Proposition 32 and will put up a new one soon that has basically the same idea but is not so harsh. I will be going out for dinner tonight but welcome any suggestions as to how to make it less one-sided. I would like to post my new proposition either late this evening or tomorrow morning.

Please see the words of Ronan on the COW site.

[The Panther]

Proposition 33 has been posted for consideration of all living wyrms.
http://yarnspinners.improbable.org/Wyrms/index.php?title=Proposition33

[The Panther]

Turn 60 has been sent. No one staled! The next turn is due on Tuesday at 5 PM EST.

I will be going rogue either this turn or next. I am doing this so my other neighbors besides Man have a shot at grabbing my territories before Man gets them all. Read Ronan's words on the COW site for more information.

A note to Kir'Doq of T'ien Ch'i: You had better get your proposition posted up soon for me to keep my side of the vote trading bargain before I lose the power to vote by being rogue.

Once I am eliminated (should be quite soon), I will be turning hosting duties over to Yorgl, who has graciously agreed to take over hosting since I really do not want to keep hosting without playing in the game.

[Wish]

man's prop didn't involve taking you out completely, that would make man rogue as well.

[RonD]

Pangaea chose the "All-out war option". So Council has already given permission for either one to completely take out the other.

[The Panther]

Yeah, it was pointless to simply lose a bunch of provinces and then be even weaker than I already was. I would far rather fight to the death. More fun that way!

Besides, I am really, really busy in my new job. Working much longer hours and SO much to see in our Nation's Capitol. I think even if I lived here all my life, I could not see it all. And I have already lived here more than a total of 7 years of my life.

There is no possibility of Ronan stopping the Wrathful Skies + Living Air attacks. Heck, I don't even have an answer to the three Harvester of Sorrows. Especially since I am not past level 5 in any magic school.

So, the bottom line is that I am not at all unhappy about getting crushed. It's just a game anyway. Though I must say that I have really enjoyed the Council thing.

[Wish]

dang

[shovah]

the no open aggresion of this game is both a blessing and a curse

[The Panther]

Note to all: I will be going to Tennessee on a business trip tomorrow and the next turn may be delayed a bit as a result.

[Zooko]

Hello. I live!

[Morkilus]

Welcome back, Sak. It has been a sad time without you.

[Cainehill]

Notice of intent : when my patrollers catch the being causing disease and loss of life in our territories, a proposition of war shall go forward.

Vyrmin of Abysia

[Ygorl]

...and you will have my support.

[shovah]

Cainehill said:

Notice of intent : when my patrollers catch the being causing disease and loss of life in our territories, a proposition of war shall go forward.

Vyrmin of Abysia



im suffering from the same problem. what neighbours do we share?

ps: i know i have no vote but can i lend any support in catching the responsible player (not sure bout in your case but in mine i think the disease spreader can fly)

[puffyn]

I had something in one of my provinces for two turns spreading disease. This was a province bordering both Machaka and Abysia, so I assumed it was one of you two (sorry). When I get back to my computer with all the saved turns on it I'll post the province number and which turns I was afflicted. If both of you could do similarly, we could perhaps identify which direction he is moving and if there is more than one of them.

[shovah]

maybe some-one flew something through puffyn's territorys and into mine and abys? (i would probably suspect myself if i hadnt been dry in the gem department lately)

[Morkilus]

Nobody cared when I put forth this document months and months ago...

http://yarnspinners.improbable.org/Wyrms/index.php?title=Harvester

[Ygorl]

That's because they didn't do anything except kill my own population until two turns ago. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

It is a shame that you nabbed the screenshot right when I'd just summoned him, before he got his proper name. Much less thematic this way...

[djo]

We suppose that was a confession...

In any case, we have seen a trio of these creatures operating near our borders in the Man/Pan war, fighting under the sign of the tree.

[Ygorl]

Wait, no... I've got three of them, and they've been sitting in my land for the whole game until Pangaea and I went to war. Since then, they've been fighting Pangaea. Definitely not a confession.

I've never sent a single hostile unit into another Wyrm's territory, except for Pangaea (and I'm saying this out-of-character). No stealthy preaching, no assassins, no hidden armies, nobody who spreads disease... Nothing. I don't know who's been infecting your folks, but it wasn't me.

And I just realized that it was Cainehill complaining, not djo! I'm a bit confused, but I guess djo was misinterpreting my message as a confession to Cainehill... Anyway, my three little Banh Sidhe Lords (along with all my other nasties) have been, are, and will be confined to my nation except when I am fighting with someone else (and then they'll be confined to my nation and the nation I'm fighting with).

[The Panther]

I have received all files except for Abysia.

Just to let everyone know, Turn 60 hosting has been delayed until sometime this evening. I am still not sure where my files went on my laptop, and it is going to take some digging to find out. Propbaly something with the problems I have been having with Outlook on my laptop. (I hate Microsoft!)

Actually, I was thinking of giving the fatherland file to Ygorl and let him take over hosting since I will soon be reduced to fighting a losing guerilla war and may be not be long for the world.

Otherwise, I will attempt to figure out what is wrong and host late this evening. I am tied up in meetings until fairly late this evening, so we are in a day+ delay right now.

[djo]

Ygorl said:
And I just realized that it was Cainehill complaining, not djo! I'm a bit confused, but I guess djo was misinterpreting my message as a confession to Cainehill...



Indeed we did.

Our nation has not seen unexpected disease, nor do we care to. Whilst our own denials of undertakings of covert operations against our neighbors may lack some credibility at this point, we will merely note that as our chosen dominion suggests (Diabolical Faith), we have not pursued the necromantic technology to summon Harvesters. They are not ours.

[Ygorl]

...if indeed they are harvesters. Might be harpies or dark servants or who knows what, equipped with little charms. Or even, perhaps, a heliophagus!

Dun-dun-dunnnnnnn!

As far as hosting goes, whenever you're ready Panther. If you've got any tips or tricks to make it less onerous or more likely to work, I'd appreciate them. I will move the deadline for turns, since I am almost never home at 5. It'll either be late morning or night-time EST (EDT, soon). I don't think it matters much, but if anyone has a strong preference, I'm open to suggestions.

[djo]

Ygorl said:
If you've got any tips or tricks to make it less onerous or more likely to work, I'd appreciate them.



Do you use a Mac? If so, I think Pasha has some scripts to make things easier.

[Ygorl]

I do use a Mac. I'll hit him up.
Thanks.

[The Panther]

I attempted to send out Turn 61 this evening. No guarantees that it was done correctly since my Outlook refuses to work properly on my laptop. Also, I have no way to check if everything was done to 100%. Finally, if someone did not get their turn file, there is absolutely nothing I can do about it until I get home on Thursday evening.

Because of all the problems and the lateness of the current turn, the next turn is due on Sunday at 5 PM EST.

[PashaDawg]

djo said:

Ygorl said:
If you've got any tips or tricks to make it less onerous or more likely to work, I'd appreciate them.



Do you use a Mac? If so, I think Pasha has some scripts to make things easier.



I have an extremely simple Automator script for the Mac. It creates the emails (using Mail), addresses them (using Addressbook), and attaches the proper turn file. I am happy to share it, and I suspect that Ygorl could make it work even better! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[The Panther]

Turn 62 has been sent. The next deadline is Tuesday at 5 PM EDT.

Since Ronan is not long for the world, wryms need to put up any propositions that you want me to support while I still can.

I will be posting a new proposition quite soon, if I can get some spare time in my hectic life.

[The Panther]

OK, I wrote the proposition instead of watching a movie...

A new proposition entitled "The Destruction of Pangaea" is open for consideration of all living wryms.

[Wish]

I have now witnessed how baleful star is possibly overpowered for its price

[quantum_mechani]

Wish_For_Blood_Slaves said:
I have now witnessed how baleful star is possibly overpowered for its price

In this version, it is.

[The Panther]

In the old days when everyone always took 2-3 misfortune, baleful star was no big deal. But with the CB mods, people are taking luck frequently. In my opinion, this is why it has become a pretty good spell (especially against a luck-3 nation). I have used it recently in some games too.

[Wish]

the strength is not in the misfortune, or even the curses. the strength is that it causes unrest, and being cheap, can be spammed like crazy to reduce your enemies resources/income.

[quantum_mechani]

Wish_For_Blood_Slaves said:
the strength is not in the misfortune, or even the curses. the strength is that it causes unrest, and being cheap, can be spammed like crazy to reduce your enemies resources/income.


Exactly. The other effects are pretty negligible, but is the 30 unrest effect which almost everyone seemed unaware of until the spell became cheap enough people were willing to give it a shot.

[shovah]

which is why it got nerfed a little in the most recent cb

[Wish]

yeah, but that doesn't help my cause in this game :/

[shovah]

do you know who is casting it on you?

[Wish]

probably pythium, that is my guess.

[Ygorl]

Pythium's looking pretty scary... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

--Man, the perennially good bad-guy

[Ygorl]

Also, if anyone wants to give me air gems in exchange for death gems, that's a trade I'll take in pretty much any quantity.

[RonD]

Ygorl said:
Also, if anyone wants to give me air gems in exchange for death gems, that's a trade I'll take in pretty much any quantity.



Man has death gems to burn? Now that's scary.

[RonD]

Wish_For_Blood_Slaves said:
probably pythium, that is my guess.



If you want to make that accusation in Council, in character, then I'll respond the same way.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif Meanwhile, I have pictures of the Jotuheim succubus attack on the Pythium capitol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

[Ygorl]

Hey, it's not as though I'm giving them away... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Wish]

it is all I can do in response to the baleful stars!

besides, it is legal to use commanders in any form that do not immediately take control of a province http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[The Panther]

Turn 62 has been sent. C'tis has staled. R'lyeh was permanently vanquished. I sent the turn file to R'lyeh in case he wishes to send any gems or money to some one else in his death throes.

Likely within the next few months, we will be changing hosts when Pangaea is permanently vanquished. Ronan's latest proposition will pass this evening when the 2 day time limit expires, regardless of any additional votes cast or not cast.

As Ronan has promised, he will be giving gems and artifacts to nations which have voted most often in favor of Pangaea Propositions. Some boring research will be required to determine this, though. Stay tuned.

[The Panther]

With just under 2 hours remaining, Proposition has passed solidly. Therefore, in accordance with that proposition, Ronan has the following information for all fellow wyrms:

Owned provinces:
239
222
227
190
196
252
241

Forts owned under seige:
212
210
201
216

Fort and province owned:
237

Notes:
216 (with one VP) may be stormed this turn, and I do not know if I will win or not.

Province 237 has most of the last remaining forces loyal to the true Green Banner, including Ronan himself. I would ask all wyrms to avoid seiging this fort, though no one is bound to obey this request per Proposition 34.

This next month ought to provide some high entertainment!

[Morkilus]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif Meanwhile, I have pictures of the Jotuheim succubus attack on the Pythium capitol http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif



Are they... unedited pictures? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

[shovah]

im loving this game

[RonD]

Apparently the rumors about the ancient Roman elite are true /threads/images/Graemlins/Teddy.gif. The Pythian mage corps /threads/images/Graemlins/icon40.gif appears to be quite immune /threads/images/Graemlins/icon28.gif to the seduction efforts of the Jotun succubus. The staff artists /threads/images/Graemlins/Lightning.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Lips.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Lightning.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Running.gif are another matter, and return from that assignment unable to put quill to paper for nearly a week. So we have no official record of the seduction attempts, only of the battles.

Word is that B'ang!Pat'h himself may begin to patrol the province, so as to give the succubus the proper spanking she so richly deserves.

[Ygorl]

So who's making the Tartarians? T'ien Ch'i is my guess?

[Wish]

how can you tell tarts are being made? probably whoever has insane research. the research restrictions make it hard to really do much with the top end SCs. Thank goodness for blood!

[Ygorl]

I don't know for sure... But I do see that both the +3 death sceptre and the Chalice have been built. If they both belong to the same person... Well... Now that's scary!

[The Panther]

Turn 64 has been sent.
Ctis staled for the 2nd consecutive time.
Vanheim also staled.
Pangaea forces did surprisingly well this turn, delaying the death of mighty Ronan a bit longer than previously expected.

I will be out of town on a camping trip Saturday - Monday, so the next turn will be delayed until Monday at 5 PM EDT. Alternatively, I could turn hosting over to Ygorl to keep the current schedule, though I have no problem continuing to host until I am dead.

[Huntsman]

Sorry for the stales. This week has not been kind to me...

[puffyn]

That turn wasn't nearly as violent and chaotic as it might have been. Does no one else _want_ the parts of Pangaea's empire he's trying to lose?

[RonD]

Want and "able to get there with any reasonable force" are 2 different things for many of us.


And there are soooo many jokes I could be making about the demise of a certain succubus, but there might be children present. I'll just say that the Watcher enjoyed himself, and leave it at that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Wish]

poor gal, sure did take alot of troops along with her. what items did you manage to collect?

did you get the helm?

[Ygorl]

I don't think I'm up for hosting. I don't really even have the time to do my turns, these days... I guess times are tough in RI... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Folket]

I will buy up to 30 gems of water, earth, nature and fire for 20 gold a piece every turn.

[puffyn]

Want and "able to get there with any reasonable force" are 2 different things for many of us.




Well, could you get out a force capable of killing a monk? That's what bravely faced off against my horde of devils. Speaking of which, Panther, will you be able to provide a complete list of your provinces again this turn? Thanks.

[The Panther]

Ronan has the following information for all fellow wyrms:

Owned provinces:
2
182 (seiging Man fort)
190
200
207
249
252

Forts owned under seige:
212
210
201

Fort and province owned:
237
216

[The Panther]

Turn 65 has been sent. Caelum staled.

We are getting back on schedule, so the next turn is due Thursday at 5 PM EDT.

[Huntsman]

Ygorl said:
I don't think I'm up for hosting. I don't really even have the time to do my turns, these days... I guess times are tough in RI... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Hehe, seems that way doesn't it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

[Zooko]

I'm sorry, but I'm having difficulty making time for this game. If someone else would like to take my nation that would be fine.

If not, I will keep playing.

[Huntsman]

puffyn said:
That turn wasn't nearly as violent and chaotic as it might have been. Does no one else _want_ the parts of Pangaea's empire he's trying to lose?



Can I take some?

[shovah]

anyone can if they can get to them.

[Huntsman]

shovah said:
anyone can if they can get to them.



Ah, I missed the prop! Maybe next turn....

[Zooko]

I hereby declare war on everyone!

Bwargh!

--Sak the Rogue

[The Panther]

Turn 66 has been sent.

After losing the earlier duel to King James, Sak of Caelum has injested so much silicon (in order to buff his body) that the computer has officially taken over his brain.

In the first act as a machine, Sak entered the Death Match where he won the match but was blinded by a minor fire sage in the process. Sak then refused to collect the Trident prize, dangerously insulting the God Neptune in the process.

Per Council rules and by direction from Neptune, Sak is now a rogue nation.

Also, now that Ygorl has reneged on his promise to host, I need for someone (anyone) to take over the hosting of this game. Ronan has determined that the centaurs refuse to be led by a wrym, so like Sak of the Raptors, Ronan too will soon become rogue. An interested party should please contact Ronan's spokesperson (The Panther) about collecting the fatherland file for the game.

Ronan did finally reach a major milestone this very month. EVERY SINGLE UNPROTECTED MAN TEMPLE has been burned to the ground. Approximately 20 temples (representing a huge investment of around 2000 gold pieces) have been destroyed by forces loyal to Ronan in the past few months. With this momumental achievement, Ronan can now retire in peace.

[Ygorl]

Um, when did I "renege on my promise to host"?
I'm somewhat offended/pissed off: First of all I didn't renege on anything (I just said that I was too busy to host when you offered a while back but also said that you didn't mind hosting until you're dead). Second, you didn't even acknowledge receiving the nice semi-automatic hosting script I sent you (which would work if you have a Mac, which I thought you did); maybe you never got it, though, so perhaps it's not fair for me to be upset about that.
Anyway, I'd be much happier if you'd keep the hurling of feces confined to within the game. I've already said that my lack of time to engage in the diplomacy that I'd need (thanks to you, incidentally but irrelevantly) has made it not much fun for me. I don't need this outside-of-game garbage on top of that.


Sorry if I'm overreacting. I'm just very annoyed, and I don't have time to sit and consider whether my reaction and words are justified.

[puffyn]

I'd be willing to host. I'd love to get a copy of Ygorl's script (I also have a Mac) to make the process easier.

[The Panther]

Ah, my apologies. I thought your statement about being too busy to host plus the fact that you are looking for a permanent sub in the game meant you were not planning on hosting permanently. If I misintrepreted your intention, that is not at all surprising (given the difficulties of communicating by writing).

All this diplomacy does indeed take much time, which I have been quite short of lately. Once I am eliminated in COW and the Yarnspinners game ends, I will be down to one game, (which is just about right now for me). And it is just a game anyway. I wonder when Dom 3 will come out... (Shhhh, quiet Panther) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

I did receive the script and I messed around with it a bit, but I never did figure out how to use it (or even open it). I finally decided that I was computer illiterate and didn't have a clue about what to do. I had completely forgotten all about it until you mentioned it above. At least now I know I am not quite as lost as I had feared since it only works on a Mac (which I do not have).

[djo]

And speaking of diplomacy and time...I would like to apologize for my own somewhat dysfunctional play recently. In particular, I owe Zooko an apology. For the last many, many turns, I've been making his/Sak's/Caelum's life fairly unpleasant with a continuous flood of spies and stealthy preachers. My intention was to petition for war a long time ago, but things just kept...happening. I didn't think it'd be sporting to do anything before the duel was decided (a masterful play on his part, I think). Then I didn't think I'd get votes when Sak was dead (due to sympathy). And I have to do some traveling soon (but I don't know exactly when), and I didn't want to start a war and then have to stale in the middle of it.

So, apologies for my relative disengagement, and for my not terribly sporting "cold war" with Zooko.

[Zooko]

Oh, I really didn't mind the Cold War. Patrolling for spies was the most fun I've had this last year or so.

However, I'm slightly angry that you never attacked me!

Bwargh,

Sakko

[Cainehill]

And I'm ... flooding pissed that you didn't announce that you were going AI. Your post saying "I declare war on everyone" was taken as a joke (especially since it WASNT on the official CoW wiki, and you can't declare war without a council vote). Cheesy, piss poor gamemanship - you could have at least posted, "I haven't found a replacement so I'm going AI next turn".

[Ygorl]

Puffyn, I just sent you the script.

Other folks are welcome to ask for it as well, but I'm planning on getting it cleaned up (and making another script or two to go with it, to make a whole dom2 hosting suite) and posting it generally when I've got a bit more time.

I don't mind hosting, whether or not I find a replacement. I did commit to doing it, after all... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Besides, it would only take maybe 20 minutes per week, tops, and that I can definitely find time for. On the other hand, I definitely don't mind *not* hosting, so if puffyn wants to (say, if he's so enamoured of my script that he can't wait to use it) I'd be happy to turn over the responsibility before I even get it...

[Cainehill]

These mac scripts - are they unix based, or something mac specific? If they're unix-ish, they could be of value to a lot of people, since of number of us are running Linux on a box, or could be. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ygorl]

The PBEM stuff is all AppleScript (though it does make some calls to bash). The code that maintains the TCP/IP server is a bash script:

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
#!/bin/bash
dom2up=$(ps -xc | grep dominions2)
if [ ${#dom2up} = 0 ]; then
cd ~/Desktop/Dominions\ II/dominions2.app/Contents/Resources/
../MacOS/dominions2 -T -S --port 2247 -q --hours 120 -M conceptbalance_pretenders_5_2.dm (no linebreak)
-M heroes1_2.dm --postexec ~/dominions2/RAND2posthost.app RAND2
fi
</pre><hr />

that is run every minute by cron. If the server dies, it pops right back up (Weeble-like). There's probably a simple elegant way to account for more than one instance of dom2 (which I am presently not doing) but since I'm only running one game I didn't bother.

The PBEM scripts are, not surprisingly, much more involved.

[PashaDawg]

puffyn said:
I'd be willing to host. I'd love to get a copy of Ygorl's script (I also have a Mac) to make the process easier.



There is also some stuff you can do with the Mac OS "automator" to make hosting PBEM easier (e.g., creating &amp; addressing emails, attaching turn files and backing up the game as a zip each turn... all with very few clicks). I think Applescript is more powerful, but I don't know how to write Applescripts. Maybe someday. (I saw a book last weekend called "Applescript for Dummies" and almost bought it.)

[RonD]

Don't worry, Pasha - eventually they'll start writing a "***** for lawyers" series.


{/ducks}

[PashaDawg]

RonD said:
Don't worry, Pasha - eventually they'll start writing a "***** for lawyers" series.


{/ducks}




http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif &lt;Disdainfully tosses fetid copy of U.S. Bankruptcy Code at RonD... shouting the legalese translation of "BWARGH" and almost throwing out shoulder...&gt; http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

[Folket]

I can't play my turn. Seems like I need CB 5.1. Why is that? Any suggestions on what to do?

[Cainehill]

Given that the CoW game started with CB 5.1 and always required it, I'd say the question was "what did you do to delete your mods and why". (Given that you also seem to have lost the 5.2 that you used to have for the CoA game.)

5.1 .dm file attached to this post.

[Folket]

I'm not at home. I'm at my parents house over easter.

[Morkilus]

Hey... me too! Here's the mod.

[PashaDawg]

You're at Folket's parents' house for Easter, Morkilus? /threads/images/Graemlins/Panda.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Racoon.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Panda.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Fox.gif

[shovah]

im there 2, every1 from the forums was invited.

[PashaDawg]

sheesh... my invite must of been lost in the mail... but will only take me a minute to get my Easter bonnet and hop hop hop on the train.

[The Panther]

Turn 67 has been sent. The next deadline is Tuesday at 5 PM EDT.

[Ygorl]

Anybody want to place bets on how many pearls Pythium gets next turn from the Nexus?
My guess is 185... Yowsa.

[RonD]

Too high.

Next guess?


http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Ygorl]

Too high for this turn, maybe... But let's see.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I don't really like the wink graemlin... It's not smiling enough, and it's not winking wickedly enough - not that I need all that much, but this little yellow guy looks like he's just learning how.

[Cainehill]

Dang, all this time I thought it was the one that only puts up 5 astral gems a turn. Is this the global that went up this turn?

(BTW, Illwinter, Johan and all : How's about giving us a proper message about who cast a global and what global it is, in Dom3?)

[Folket]

Proposition 35 is up.

[shovah]

i would just like all wyrms to know that any who vote no on this proposition will recieve 5 assorted gems/ten blood slaves (your choice) from myself. this is my way of voting no on proposition 35.

[The Panther]

Turn 68 has been sent. C'tis has staled. The destruction of both Caelum and Pangaea is nearing completetion.

[The Panther]

Proposition 36 is up.

[Cainehill]

Folket said:
Proposition 35 is up.



And when does the voting on Proposition 35 close? We need timestamps on the propositions so people know when they need to vote by.

[djo]

You can check the "recent changes" page and look for when the proposition page was created. I think the wiki is still on EST (not EDT).

Looks like prop 35 was up near midnight (+/- 1 hr), and prop 36 went up 5pm-ish.

[Morkilus]

Looks like "Server time" for the Wiki is GMT, and everyone should set their local time for the wiki in their preferences to be least confused. Proposition 35 was created April 18 05:15 GMT and Proposition 36 at April 18 22:31.

[Cainehill]

And there's 48 hours to vote? Or 24?

[The Panther]

24

[puffyn]

Thanks for the reminder-- if anyone has recently gone through daylight savings time they will have to reset their "time zone" preferences in order to have the wiki display times in their local frame.

There are now 1 hour and 35 minutes left to vote on 35.

[The Panther]

Turn 69 has been sent. Abysia, Mictlan, and Machaka all staled.

The next turn is due Sunday at 5 PM EDT.

[The Panther]

Just to let everyone know, Proposition 33 (proposed on turn 59) had a 10 month time limit and it has therefore expired, I believe.

[shovah]

??? i send my turn in like 2 days ago http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[puffyn]

Odd, I also submitted my turn, though only this morning.

[Cainehill]

Bah! Panther, that's _three_ of us who sent our turns in and got a stale? Feh!

It'd be _real_ nice if people could get a return receipt in the PBEM games.

This certainly stands as a nice counterpoint to our old debate about whether pbem games are better than server games : with a server game, a player can make sure that his turn has been uploaded / received.

[The Panther]

I am willing to rehost last turn since there were three emails who did not get through. I still have yet to receive even one of the three lost emails. Also, Pasha has been having big problems too, and several of his emails have been lost lately.

One caveat - All three of you must NOT change your missing turn because you have now seen the result of the latest turn.

And yes, Cainehill, I do have to agree with you that this is a counter to my argument in favor of PBEM vs server.

So, please send me your lost turns and I will rehost tomorrow.

Finally, I am turning hosting over to Ygorl this weekend. Hopefully his email server will do better than mine has been doing lately.

[Cainehill]

I have to redo mine, 'cause I hit 'E' in dismay on seeing that I staled - over-wrote the turn I had sent. But will redo it as close as possible to what I had done, which had no combat / war stuff : just research, site searching, forging, casting globals, assassinations, er - not those last two. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

BTW, Panther - you ever check out Turtle Mountain in Rio Rancho while you were here? Just made it there yesterday - damn fine beer, and I have to agree with people who told me it was the best pizza in ABQ area.

[Folket]

I guess this also, means that next host will be on thuesday.

[shovah]

i'll have to redo mine aswell since ive got the next turn up but dont worry, only orders i had were site search/research/forge/move to new search areas and i havnt been recieveing or dealing any assasinations or anything else offensive so...

[RonD]

Hosting Sunday will still be a 48-hr turnaround - I can't see why that would be a problem.

And so long as I'm posting:

A HUGE thanks to Panther for running the game for so long, and more thanks to Ygorl for agreeing to take over.

[The Panther]

I am still waiting on a turn from Shovah...

[shovah]

there, sry for the delay its just ive been out most of today

[The Panther]

Turn 69 has been sent.

The next deadline is Monday at 5 PM EDT. After I receive all the new 2h files, I will turn over everything to Ygorl and Turn 70 will come from him.

[djo]

People might want to delete their .2h files from the old turn before playing the new one (if you opened the first turn). I vaguely recall that being "good hygeine" to guard against further weirdness, from the Yarnspinners 2 replay troubles.

Hey, we dominion-killed Sak this time around!

[shovah]

my comp auto-removes the old .2h file i thought, can only c 1 in the file

[Ygorl]

Good advice, djo. I found a longdead horseman who looked like a leader on the world map, but wasn't.

And, everyone, there's an exciting (well, actually pretty tame compared to some of what's been flowing recently) new proposition up.

[Ygorl]

Aw, come on... Where's the wyrmocratic spirit? Get thee hence to the voting booths!

[djo]

Having two heads, we like to hear both sides of an issue before passing judgement.

(Jack says: and we like to compare the size of the bribes from both sides...)

Looks like voting on this one would be closed late Sunday EDT, but so far doesn't look close to a quorum.

[RonD]

Yep, hoping to hear from Zona Nyl before weighing in.

What happens if the proposition fails? Will Ermor be rouge, or do you plan to work out a private compensation deal?

[Ygorl]

I don't know why Folket hasn't said anything... I was wavering between puting up the proposition and just contacting him in private; in the end, this seemed like the more interesting route, and so I took it. It doesn't seem to have worked out as planned, however... It's not interesting if nobody votes or discusses or anything! Ah well... Wyrms are a fickle bunch, eh?

Or maybe, perhaps, their motivating spirits are just busy for the weekend.

If it doesn't pass? I don't know. I hadn't really considered that part. I'd hate to drive someone rogue over a mis-reading of a proposition... I guess I'd first try the same deal, but just between me and Folket, without the public show and the bribes to y'all. Maybe that's what I should have done in the first place, but this way seemed more in the spirit of the game.

[Ygorl]

I'm still missing files from Abysia, C'tis, Ermor, and T'ien Ch'i. Given Panther's email problem, it's quite possible that they sent files that simply never reached him. Since that would mean a delay until Monday at least, anyway, I figure we'll just push the hosting until Tuesday.

Two other small things that'll be slightly different:
One, I often don't get home at night until well after five. The deadline will be 8 pm EDT, and I'll try to get the turns out right at that time. Two, it's considerably easier for me if you don't compress your .2h files in any way - just attach them as the raw .2h files. If we start to get a lot of corrupt .2h files as a result (I don't know if this is ever a problem? Anyone with more experience care to chime in?) I'll change this policy, but for now let's give it a shot (unless people tell me that it is a big problem... I doubt it, though, since I know I and many others have been sending .2h files without incident). Every file you send is validated by the game engine as soon as I receive it, and you'll get an email if there's a problem, so it's not the case that corruption will appear unnoticed until later.

Thanks, everyone!

[PashaDawg]

When I hosted the original PBEM RAND game, it was extremely rare that .2h files would get corrupted, and it was a huge pain if files were sent as zips. "Raw" files are the best way to go.

[Ygorl]

Not only has there been no word in the Council from Zona Nyl, I don't have Ermor's turn from Folket. Is anyone in another game with him? Is he around?

Looks like the last words he posted in the forum here was a guess that the next COW turn would host on Tuesday... Maybe he just hasn't bothered checking anything since then?

[The Panther]

He staled last turn in Clash of Armies, I believe.

[Ygorl]

Bummer... I hope he gets back soon!

[The Panther]

As for the 2h files, the turns from Atlantis were frequently corrupted when I received them. However, when he started packing them into a zip, it worked every time.

I think it has something to do with Microsoft Explorer. Of course, I think EVERY computer problem has something to do with Microsoft..... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Folket]

Hello everyone. I will send my file. I guess I will obey the will of the council.

I will send my turn within two hours if I can figure out Ygorls email.

[Cainehill]

Anyone else get emails saying "here's your turn file", but no turn file?

[puffyn]

No. I didn't even get one of those http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

[Ygorl]

OK, obviously some problems. Sorry about that, folks... Let me see if I can figure it out quickly (and if not, I'll send all the turns out the old-fashioned way).

If this makes it impossible for someone to get a turn in, let me know.

[Cainehill]

Gotten 5 now, but still no turn file. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif No problem Ygorl - appreciate you taking over, a few glitches are to be expected - might need to delay the hosting if we don't get the turns though.

[Ygorl]

I think I found the problem with double-emailing, and fixed it. I won't know for sure until I try again on Sunday though. Thanks for bearing with me (and once all the kinks are gone, I will release the script for anyone running PBEM on a Mac to use).

The files did go out on one of the two messages that I just sent (for a total of four emails... I'm sorry!) so if you can't find it make sure to check your spam folders, etc. If you still can't find it, let me know, and I'll re-send.

And Puffyn thought I was an experienced host... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Ygorl]

Chris got turn 69 instead of turn 70. I don't understand how that happened, but I'm looking into it.

I got turn 70. Did anyone else get turn 69? Should I just resend to everyone?

[Ygorl]

Also, I will delay hosting until Friday unless I get all turns by Thursday. Thanks again for y'all's patience.

[The Panther]

I also got turn 69.

[Cainehill]

Eh - I think y'all got 70. _But_ : Ygorl zipped it with the CoW directory in the zip file, so it unzips into dominions2/cow/cow - leaving the turn from 69 to be read by the game.

Suspect that if you look into your CoW directory you'll see that's the case - either move the file manually, or unzip into domionions2 vice dominions2/CoW.