OT: Cyber Nation

[President_Elect_Shang]

AT didn't I already send you a guide with all that info? I'm sure I did but if not email me and let me know. Also I haven't received those screen shots.

If you aren't aiming to join in the political intrigue I really don't see what the game has to offer to you. Honestly there is no strategy element at all. There must be a reason for sticking around as opposed to letting your nation expire. So what is that reason; why do you bother to keep playing?

For additional game help and information such as getting over the infra jumps try reading over this thread (http://z15.invisionfree.com/Cyber_Nations/index.php?showtopic=60043). It covers trade sets too.

[AgentZero]

Atrocities said:
Let me know when you need the aid then. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Hopefully you get it sorted out soon.



Thanks AZ. I got a PM off an admin today that said they were going after Agent_Zero, and I, as AgentZero got caught in the crossfire. I've recreated my nation, and the admin said they'd provide whatever assistance I needed to get back up & running, so I told them to just give me a buttload of infrastructure and money. Not sure how much I'll get out of them, so I'll wait & see before requesting any help from the Protectorate.

By the by, I've decided to be fairly ruthless about getting my bonuses, so I'm after those resources that will get me what I want. I have a pending agreement for Aluminum & Marble, but if anyone in the Protectorate has: Coal, Gold, Gems, Iron, Oil, Rubber, or Silver and wants to lay their mits on some Lead & Lumber, send me a proposal & we'll get ourselves sorted.

[NullAshton]

Quite happy with my 7 bonus resources.

[Randallw]

if anyone wants to lay their mits on some Lead & Lumber, send me a proposal & we'll get ourselves sorted.



Your resources are lead and lumber. What is your main export, pencils? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

At least Iron and lead is useful to churn out bullets.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

The lack of pencils would have lead to a noticeable slowdown of our technological progress.

[capnq]

President_Elect_Shang said: If you aren't aiming to join in the political intrigue I really don't see what the game has to offer to you. Honestly there is no strategy element at all. There must be a reason for sticking around as opposed to letting your nation expire. So what is that reason; why do you bother to keep playing?

I like building something up from nothing. (My favorite start for SEIV is single planet, low tech.) I'm curious to see how big Fiducia can get before someone notices it. I also feel a sense of loyalty to my alliance and my trade partners.

I played Nation States as well; I dropped that when the events got too repetitive. I agree that CN is more detailed than NS. I didn't join the UN in NS for much the same reasons that I don't read the CN forums.

[Desert Rat]

Would someone be interested in being a middleman for a Technology purchase through me?

I have someone who wants to purchase 40 Technology.

We can discuss the fee.

[AgentZero]

Well, I got a generous donation of money and infrastructure from the admin, I guess. I've bought a harbour and a couple banks, and a big swath of land, since my population density was ~5k per square mile, which seemed like a lot. I've bought as many soldiers as my population will support. Now I'm wondering what I should sink my money into. I've got around 2mil, should I just dump it into infrastructure, or what?

[Atrocities]

YES go for infrastructure and wonders like banks, schools, universities and stadiums. Congrats on getting back up and running. What are your resources? Oh ya, pick up at least 25 top of the line fighters and buy some Tech.

[AgentZero]

I've got me Lead & Lumber, freely available to any WP members that need them.

[GuyOfDoom]

If one of my two resources wasn't lead I would happily trade. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Santiago]

Always looking for trade http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[fluoroalien]

Hello folks, and greetings from Farkistan, another Aqua Team alliance from CN.

I've just come across to say hi, and to open up some friendly diplomatic relations.

[GuyOfDoom]

I finally got all my trade agreements!

[President_Elect_Shang]

fluoroalien said:
Hello folks, and greetings from Farkistan, another Aqua Team alliance from CN.

I've just come across to say hi, and to open up some friendly diplomatic relations.



[Moderator Mode ON]
FARK this isn't a forum for CN game diplomatic discussion this is a forum for the game Space Empires 5 and this is an off topic thread in that forum. I will have to ask you not to discuss possible inflammatory topics, attempt to recruit, or conduct diplomatic negotiations here. If you want to chat about CN, trades, game mechanics, items of that nature by all means nock yourself out. I personally am not a mod for this section of the SE5 boards but I assure you, if anyone comes here and attempts to devolve this forum into the type of flame wars the CN forum gets they will be promptly warned and their name reported for a temporary or permanent ban!
[Moderator Mode OFF]

Welcome to the SE5 forums, do you also play SE5 or did you just come for this CN thread?

[fluoroalien]

I just came for this thread, because we were looking to make friends with our fellow Aqua alliances, and when I enquired in game about whether or not the Wombat Protectorate had any off site forums I was told that most of them hang out here.

I had absolutely no intention of starting any flamewars at all, but if, as you state, diplomatic negotiations are off-topic and unwanted here then I will settle for just saying "hi" and heading off.

[Renegade 13]

Don't worry, it's usually hard to start flame wars here, especially by accident http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

As far as I know, it's perfectly alright to come here to this thread and talk about essentially all you want, on the topic of CN. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Welcome to the forums!

[capnq]

"Formal" diplomatic negotiations should be directed to Sala-ma-Sond and Combat Wombat. (Preferably by in game-messages or e-mail, but that's just my personal opinion.)

I suppose this does raise the question of whether non-WP members should be directed to this forum at all.

[Combat Wombat]

capnq said:
"Formal" diplomatic negotiations should be directed to Sala-ma-Sond and Combat Wombat. (Preferably by in game-messages or e-mail, but that's just my personal opinion.)

I suppose this does raise the question of whether non-WP members should be directed to this forum at all.



I usually just ignore mesages people send me about alliances and stuff lol

Edit: Well I told the fark guy we could be unofficial friends, only reason I answered him is because FARK is what got me into cybernations in the first place so I felt I at least owed then a response.

[capnq]

Fiducia celebrates its six month anniversary today, which gives a temporary +4 to happiness, which pushes our daily income per citizen to a record level of nearly $125.

[Combat Wombat]

niiiiiiice

[President_Elect_Shang]

My little bit of growth news... I believe I am the first person from Shrapnel to get nukes.

[NullAshton]

I hate you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

My nation is now getting 160,000 a day, though.

[Ragnarok]

ooo, nukes... So I guess I shouldn't attack you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Money wise my nation is doing well. I make around 254,000 per turn. 90K goes to bills, so that leaves me with roughly 160K pure profit. I put 50K away per turn and spend the rest on upgrades and so forth.

[Combat Wombat]

Sala-ma-Sond is getting about 1.8mil in pure profit every day now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Renegade 13]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif How're you making that much!?

[Combat Wombat]

I am happy to report Sala-ma-Sond has broken the 20,000 nation strength barrier!

[capnq]

Uh oh, it looks like the Wombat Protectorate has hit the big time.

Eyoonia is being tech raided by a member of the GOONS alliance. GOONS is one of the biggest alliances in the game; I don't think there's a whole lot we can do to defend against them.

(BTW, my nation is Fiducia, not Eyoonia. I routinely monitor Wars Across the Globe for attacks on or by WP members.)

[President_Elect_Shang]

capnq said:
... I routinely monitor Wars Across the Globe for attacks on or by WP members.)



I could use that kind of attitude in my alliance when it forms.

[Combat Wombat]

President_Elect_Shang said:

capnq said:
... I routinely monitor Wars Across the Globe for attacks on or by WP members.)



I could use that kind of attitude in my alliance when it forms.



No stealing WP members here please, I like having that kind of attitude in my alliance(which your still welcome to join)

Also WP isn't under attack by the goons just ey, its a tech raid ey wasn't being very active and I can't say his military was up to snuff so don't worry to much about it. If something big happens I will be the first one attacked http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[capnq]

Actually, it occurred to me that the GOONS might just be punishing Eyoonia for leaving the Black Team.

And just because I monitor the wars doesn't mean I do anything about them. Eyoonia's total defending casualties are more than ten times the size of Fiducia's army. We've occaisionally sent token peacekeeping troops and reconstruction money to allies who've gone into Anarchy, but otherwise we consider our defenses an insurance policy that we'd prefer not to file a claim against.

I watch the wars so that when the hammer falls, I know who was holding the nail.

[President_Elect_Shang]

Combat Wombat said:

President_Elect_Shang said:
I could use that kind of attitude in my alliance when it forms.



No stealing WP members here please...



http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif LOL, no never! Reading my comment again I can see how it would read that way though. My apologies, the thought never crossed my mind. Besides we are still a ways out from launching so any recruiting would be pointless. I still have to recover from getting nuked twice.

[Renegade 13]

Ouch. What effects do nukes have on your nation again?

[President_Elect_Shang]

Government put in anarchy, lose loads of troops and tanks. You lose 1/4 of your air force. You lose 150 miles of land and 150 infra points. The worst part of all is that it totally wrecks your economy for 6 days counting the day the bomb dropped. For example I went from a gross income of about 2.9M per day to making just a tad bit over 300k per day. Needless to say you never collect income during nuke anarchy. Man am I glad I had a cushion saved up for this war.

[Renegade 13]

Damn, that's gotta hurt.

[Combat Wombat]

I think you guys will enjoy this quite a bit.

I was attacked by a nation twice as powerful as me in terms of nation strength. http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=80170

Here are the numerous battle results I discovered today after logging in.

War has been declared on you by stevent37 for the reason of A general dispute! You may access your War & Battles screen to view and manage this war.

A fighter aircraft dog fight has just occurred against your nation by stevent37. In the attack you lost 5 fighter aircraft and destroyed 1 fighter aircraft launched by stevent37. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

A fighter aircraft dog fight has just occurred against your nation by stevent37. In the attack you lost 3 fighter aircraft and destroyed 1 fighter aircraft launched by stevent37. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

Your nation has been attacked with a cruise missile by stevent37. You lost 10 defending tanks and 10.00 infrastructure. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

Your nation has been attacked with a cruise missile by stevent37. You lost 10 defending tanks and 10.00 infrastructure. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

You have been attacked by stevent37. You lost 1,550 soldiers and 199 tanks. You killed 4,814 soldiers and 1,148 tanks. Their forces razed 0.000 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $0.00 from you and you gained $30,265.88 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Victory. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

You have been attacked by stevent37. You lost 3,379 soldiers and 127 tanks. You killed 8,156 soldiers and 736 tanks. Their forces razed 0.000 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $0.00 from you and you gained $20,580.80 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Victory. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

Your nation has been attacked with a cruise missile by stevent37. You lost 10 defending tanks and 10.00 infrastructure. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

Your nation has been attacked with a cruise missile by stevent37. You lost 10 defending tanks and 10.00 infrastructure. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

You have been attacked by stevent37. You lost 1,414 soldiers and 413 tanks. You killed 4,390 soldiers and 1,213 tanks. Their forces razed 0.000 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $0.00 from you and you gained $2,378.17 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Victory. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

You have been attacked by stevent37. You lost 10,728 soldiers and 1,568 tanks. You killed 8,013 soldiers and 500 tanks. Their forces razed 26.521 miles of your land, stole 5.000 technology, and destroyed 20.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $86,974.87 from you and you gained $0.00 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Defeat. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

A peace offer has been submitted by stevent37 to end the bloodshed between your nations. As soon as both nations accept peace, the war will end.

Have you ever seen such a total and complete victory before in your life http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif That guy must be crying. In the end he got a bit of tech and some other little [censored] but man hes gotta be crying....

[Renegade 13]

I added up the totals:

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> You Lost: He Lost:
Soldiers: 17,071 25,373
Tanks: 2347 3597
Aircraft: 8 2
Money: $86,974.87 $53,224.85
Land: 26.591 N/A
Tech: 5 N/A
Infra: 60 N/A </pre><hr />

[Beck]

Yes, he could have expected to have made out better in his attacks, but that's the flunky results the combat system frequently produces. It could just as easy be the other way around next time. Fact is, even with those poor results he made out okay. His losses against you cost him around $750,000 tops. At his level the tech he captured was worth at least $500,000 and the land he captured was worth at least $1 million. He didn't peace out because of the results, he do so because this was a tech raid. You do a blitz, capture what you can and then try and peace out. He gains whatever he can capture and when you accepted his peace offer,he doesn't receive any return damage to his nation. And if you attacked back, he may have had a couple of buddies join in. That's the textbook raid, get in quick and get out quick. It clears the slot so he can attack again. There are raiders who have done this 10 or more times in a day. Unless you have approached his alliance about this attack and demand reparations, what's to prevent him from doing this again tonight? Or tomorrow. And if they think they can get in a free set of attacks without any reprisals or the paying of reparations and simply peace out, what's to prevent them as an alliance from picking other members for the same treatment.

[capnq]

Beck said: Unless you have approached his alliance about this attack and demand reparations, what's to prevent him from doing this again tonight? Or tomorrow. And if they think they can get in a free set of attacks without any reprisals or the paying of reparations and simply peace out, what's to prevent them as an alliance from picking other members for the same treatment.

The Wombat Protectorate has 20 members with a combined strength of 120K. The WOLFPACK has 110 members with a combined strength of 920K. What do you expect us to do about it?!?

Beck, are you a member of WP? If not, then why do you care?

I am really getting tired of other people lecturing on how this game "ought" to be played. Especially when their advice boils down to "let's you and him fight".

I do not want to be cultivated as cannon fodder for other players' political machinations. I do not want to wade into the cesspool of lameness that is the C N Forums just to keep apprised of the game world diplomatic situation.

WHEN the munchkins take notice of the WP and decide that we're easy pickings, we're going to be ground into the dust. My main interest in C N is seeing how much I can build up my nation before that happens. Drawing unnecessary attention with futile public posturing will just hasten armaggedon.

[Beck]

Sorry for caring. I've been reading the posts of the people in this thread for years and you get to care what happens to them. I won't let it happen again.
i wasn't trying to lecture you, I was trying to warn you. I wasn't suggesting you attack the Wolfpack. What I was suggesting is there is a certain protocol that is followed in situations like this. Most alliances do not want their members raiding other nations in alliances. I would have attempted to find out if the Wolfpack is one of them. They would then rein in their member and insist on reparations. Do want you want though. I'll take my leave of this thread and no longer post here.

[NullAshton]

I am just about to pass the 1000 infrastructure mark in CN. Yay.

[capnq]

Beck said: Most alliances do not want their members raiding other nations in alliances. I would have attempted to find out if the Wolfpack is one of them. They would then rein in their member and insist on reparations.

Given that the attacker's nation description says that he's the Wolfpack's defense minister, I doubt that would be the case here.

[President_Elect_Shang]

capnq said:
Given that the attacker's nation description says that he's the Wolfpack's defense minister, I doubt that would be the case here.



You would be surprised by what happens when you ask in private. Most alliances are fairly civil and polite when you approach them with a touch of courtesy. By the way, you should be thankful that Beck took your butt chewing as nicely as he did otherwise the WP would be dead by now. Considering he is the leader of an alliance that is 598% the strength of the WP that is.

[Combat Wombat]

President_Elect_Shang said:

capnq said:
Given that the attacker's nation description says that he's the Wolfpack's defense minister, I doubt that would be the case here.



You would be surprised by what happens when you ask in private. Most alliances are fairly civil and polite when you approach them with a touch of courtesy. By the way, you should be thankful that Beck took your butt chewing as nicely as he did otherwise the WP would be dead by now. Considering he is the leader of an alliance that is 598% the strength of the WP that is.



I don't expect anyone to change the way they act on the forums just because they are talking to someone from another alliance. Say what ya want people will get over it.

[Atrocities]

Any one interested in joining a new alliance and getting in on the ground floor, now is the time. If your already in an alliance and want to join up that is fine too, just follow your own alliances resignation rules.

Check out Organization of Confederated States forums at:
http://z11.invisionfree.com/OCS/index.php?act=idx

[Combat Wombat]

Alright I just ran a tech raid against someone, complete success and his alliance is to small and useless to counter-attack, but if theres any problems let me know and I can give you more troops and money than you can shake a stick at to make the problem go away.

Also if theres any shrapnel community members who haven't started Cybernations but are interested let me know and I can walk you through getting a nation setup and a large aid package to get you started.

Edit: Also some of you smaller guys in the WP this alliance I attacked has a bunch of small members that are just begging to be comepletely messed up by you guys so if you've been waiting for an opportunity to attack someone nows your chance.

[Randallw]

I was just considering it, but one of my trade partners seems to have dropped. I didn't notice the population drop and also just accidentally spent too much.

[Atrocities]

Speaking of aid packages, OCS is also offering experienced nation building help and a very generous aid gift to help new members build up. Also we have the protection of more than one nation with nukes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Atrocities]

Oh by the way, Global War IV has just broken out. Good luck to all those who find themselves sucked into this mess.

[Combat Wombat]

Atrocities said:
Oh by the way, Global War IV has just broken out. Good luck to all those who find themselves sucked into this mess.



And soon we will see for a second time why the WP is good. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif You people and your World Wars..... I will just be sitting over here laughing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Edit: have to acknowledge my 1337 post count also http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Atrocities]

And that is the nice thing about OCS, we too are neutral and will just be getting on with business as usual.

[Combat Wombat]

Atrocities said:
And that is the nice thing about OCS, we too are neutral and will just be getting on with business as usual.



If your doing the exact same thing why not just join the WP and we can all be neutral together?

[Ragnarok]

Hmmm, I can't keep trade partners for the life of me.

I have 3 openings available if anyone wants Coal/Gems.

[Atrocities]

Because we formed OCS. We are a bit more involved with the game and wanted an alliance of our own that reflects that interest.

We have our own forums, our own flag, help files, allies, and skill sets. We offer players more than just basic level log in and check your nation once a day dogma.

You have the WP but what else do you have? None of your members really take advantage of their resources, hardly any have grown. Look at my nation compared to most members of the WP, we all started around the same time yet I am considerably larger than they. I want to offer people the chance to grow and grow well. Or if they want to just play one as usual then they have the freedom to do so knowing that they have more than one nation watching their backs.

I owe you much CW, you got me into the game and you have built a stable alliance. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Now I want to do what you did and build up a new alliance.

[Renegade 13]

It's extremely difficult to get a good trading system going if you don't belong to a large alliance...finding and keeping trading partners is hell. I've been relatively lucky, 6 bonus resources, and growing fairly fast now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Do keep me apprised of WWIV, I don't care to look at the CN forums, but would appreciate the abridged version if it isn't too much trouble http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[NullAshton]

I've been lucky, a fairly steady 7 bonus resources.

[Randallw]

Ragnarok said:
Hmmm, I can't keep trade partners for the life of me.

I have 3 openings available if anyone wants Coal/Gems.



I already have coal but I could use gems if you want lead and iron. I'm Demon Island.

[capnq]

Atrocities said:None of your members really take advantage of their resources, hardly any have grown.

Sigh. Yet more lecturing on how this game "ought" to be played.

I for one am quite content with Fiducia's current rate of growth.

[Randallw]

Yeah I could improve things by actually taking a government/religion the people want, but I'm not interested in a game telling me what choices to make. I decided what I wanted my country to be and I'm not being forced to compromise.

as for resources, I can't be bothered. Anyway I can never bring myself to abandon anyone willing to trade with me just beacuse I'm greedy.

[Ragnarok]

Randallw said:

Ragnarok said:
Hmmm, I can't keep trade partners for the life of me.

I have 3 openings available if anyone wants Coal/Gems.



I already have coal but I could use gems if you want lead and iron. I'm Demon Island.



I already have lead, but I'll take some iron.

If you find a better trade just let me know and I'll be fine with you discontinuing the trade.

[Atrocities]

capnq said:

Atrocities said:None of your members really take advantage of their resources, hardly any have grown.

Sigh. Yet more lecturing on how this game "ought" to be played.

I for one am quite content with Fiducia's current rate of growth.



I am not trying to lecturing any one capnq. I am sorry you feel that way though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[capnq]

I've already explained this once in a PM to someone else. Maybe it will save me some hassle to post it publically.

I do not take well to unsolicited advice. Especially when it makes assumptions about what my goals are, or should be, or I don't trust the motivation behind the advice.

I should pay more attention when my instincts tell me I ought to avoid looking at public forums until my mood improves. I've been under an unusual amount of real world stress, and this was the fourth time in three weeks that I've been tempted to flame someone. I was a little surprised that CW didn't call you out for ignoring his recent request not to use this thread to try to recruit people away from WP. (Although checking back, I see that he said that over three weeks ago, so I suppose people could have missed it or forgotten it by now.)

[Randallw]

On an unrelated topic, I am a bit relieved to hear you say that. I'm still a bit ashamed of the message I sent you a few months back when I too was under stress. It wasn't personal I know but it did teach me to perhaps sleep on things before I answer straight away. Anyhow I just thought I'd mention that.

Edit: hey and let me just say we think alike http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I am also a bit wary of advice from players in games where they might be an enemy. I had one game where I refused to lsiten to advice another player gave the group on the basis that he was an enemy. Later I read it, and followed some of it, after my alliance told me to.

[Atrocities]

My Two Cents

If people don't want advise they have the choice to not read peoples advice posts. I for one found them very helpful and thank those who offered valid advice about how to play the game. Again, if people don't want free advice, thats their call, but they shouldn't ***** about it when its their choice to read the post or not.

[Combat Wombat]

hahha look whos back its that guy who I posted all the battle reports from when he attacked me. Aparently I hurt his feelings so hes back to show me what a little girl he aparently is

From stevent37

"After seeing how much trash you where talking on the Gaming message board I desided to give it another shot......

Looks like your ahead now but some how I dont think thats the way this will end.

For your &amp;%$@ talking I will accept except 3 million and 50 tech and a peace offer, otherwise u eat a nuke at update.

Have a nice day"

Anyone that is a regular to the thread knows my attitude toward the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif If you have a nuke and have anyways wanted to use it nows your chance but if not Mineral planets will always be the best http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


Edit:

After 2 air and 2 cruise missile attacks from this guy who is aparently the defense secratary for his big alliance and has twice the nation strength as me this is the best he can do on the ground and I am still in Defcon 5

You have been attacked by stevent37. You lost 4,071 soldiers and 651 tanks. You killed 13,001 soldiers and 3,182 tanks. Their forces razed 0.000 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $0.00 from you and you gained $47,766.88 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Victory. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

You have been attacked by stevent37. You lost 3,752 soldiers and 210 tanks. You killed 7,152 soldiers and 818 tanks. Their forces razed 0.000 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $0.00 from you and you gained $72,605.66 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Victory. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

Edit2:
oh and in case you were wondering the 2 air attacks he made were complete desvestating losses for him too. I lost 5 planes he lost 24

edit3:
Just launched 2 cruise missiles for the fun of it

[Will]

Hah, it's funny what idiots will do sometimes.

You know, if I were building some kind of combat simulation where you only give x number of units A &amp; B vs. y number of units C &amp; D, I would give bonuses for being 1) the defender, and 2) the smaller number, then just throw in a bit of randomness for fun. Looks like whoever is administering CyberNations is doing the same thing.

[Combat Wombat]

Edit: I sent aid to alot of people accept as fast as you can soon my nation will be no more though a creative explotation of the games mechanics.

[Combat Wombat]

and as an end to all this I think the WP is officially desolved http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

aka change alliances soon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif and maybe everyone should sit in peace mode for awhile, sorry for the problems

[Atrocities]

Kick his *** Wombat! GO WOMBAT!

[Will]

Why would it be dissolved? If this guy is so worried about his e-peen that the rest of the alliance gets involved, I'm of mind to fight it out for a week or two until it gets boring and one side or the other quits.

[Combat Wombat]

Will said:
Why would it be dissolved? If this guy is so worried about his e-peen that the rest of the alliance gets involved, I'm of mind to fight it out for a week or two until it gets boring and one side or the other quits.



Its disolved not because this guy but because of everyone else that plays the game, the alliance was already down to only 19 people and with me out of the picture theres hardly any defense left http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Atrocities]

CW you know once this conflict is resolved or even if you delete and start over you can count on aid from me. It is the least I can do.

Right now OCS cannot accept any one who is currently involved in any wars, especially wolfpack. All other who are interested in joining OCS please feel free to pm me here or in the game. I will pass on your request to General Jangles.

[Atrocities]

General Jangles has informed me that any one who wishes to join our new alliance is welcome to join provided that you are not currently at war with any other nation.

He asks that you pm him in the game and that you change your AA to Organization of Confederated States and that you put OCS Applicant in your nation bio.

Also since OCS is a neutral alliance there are some considerations that you must first accept. 1. no attacking any other nation. (Once your in the alliance we can explain why.) 2. You must join our forum and fill out an application. 3. You need to use your Nation Ruler name when signing up for the forum. 4. you will be asked to read our charter and agree to it. 5. You must list Organization of Confederated States as your Alliance Affiliation. 6. You must put OCS Applicant into your nation bio. And 7. you must change your team color to Orange.

Since we are a new alliance, there are risks, these risks are lessoned by the fact that we do have allies with other alliances, however several of them are currently engaged in GW IV, and may not be available to help us. This means that we must all take care not to piss off any other nations or alliances until we can solidify our defenses and establish a good relationship with more allied alliances.

Again if you are interested in joining OCS please pm me here or General Jangles in the CN. Thank you and good luck.

[GeneralJangles]

Hello everyone, I am General Jangles. Council of Three member which is the same level as Atrocities. This will probably be my only post here on these forums. I must announce there are a few deviations to what good Atrocities just stated.


1. no attacking any other nation. (Once your in the alliance we can explain why.)



We allow tech raiding for people that are inactive.


Right now OCS cannot accept any one who is currently involved in any wars, especially wolfpack.



Please notify of your intent to join and we may be able to work you out of Wolfpack's grasp, you may not do so until we are given the OK from Wolfpack. This may involve paying reparations and such, but we will mostly handle that.


4. you will be asked to read our charter and agree to it.



Our forums are down currently, so those that are not in a war currently may place "Organization of Confederated States" with the exception you place "OCS Applicant" in your bio.

[capnq]

GeneralJangles said: Our forums are down currently, so those that are not in a war currently may place "Organization of Confederated States" with the exception you place "OCS Applicant" in your bio.

I suggest you consider posting your charter in the C N Wiki.

[Atrocities]

Please if any one has more information about the demands that wolfpack has made about reparations please post about them..

[Renegade 13]

Combat Wombat said:
Edit: I sent aid to alot of people accept as fast as you can soon my nation will be no more though a creative explotation of the games mechanics.

If you don't mind me asking, what was this creative exploitation of the game mechanics? Does it mean that you're gonna be blown to hell and back?

If the Protectorate's being dissolved, I think I'll go it solo for a bit http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[GuyOfDoom]

Sorry to hear that you got trampled on CW. I think egos get a little to inflated on these kind of internet games.

I think I'm going to keep doing my usual routine until some person designs some reason to raid me some more and then quit.

[Atrocities]

General Jangles and I are attempting to work out a deal with wolfpack to get the members who accepted aid from CW after his conflict with wolfpack started and were put on their ZI list removed from that list.

More info as we get things worked out.

[Atrocities]

Well thanks to the smooth talking work of General Jangles we have a deal with wolfpack to save the four nations that accepted aid from CW. We are going to pay them off to get you guys off of their ZI list. If you haven't yet joined OCS and want to, please follow the instructs as outlined in the above posts.

I will be sending the affected nations a PM via CN mail out lining the deal. Don't worry, you guys can keep the tech, and won't have to pay anything out of your own treasury.

Atrocities

[capnq]

Atrocities said: General Jangles and I are attempting to work out a deal with wolfpack

Does that mean you can confirm that stevent37 has the support of his alliance? Because I have yet to see any evidence that Buffalonia isn't acting alone, and in violation of the Wolfpack's published charter.

I'm also curious as to who tipped off stevent37 about the trash talk. I seriously doubt he was looking at this forum before Combat Wombat published the results of the first tech raid.

And is anybody else having problems with the in-game e-mail system? The login screen and nation report insist I have a new message in my Inbox, but my Inbox claims to be empty.

[Atrocities]

We did not discuss that topic capnq, only getting the four members who accepted aid from CW off of wolfpacks ZI list.

[GuyOfDoom]

capnq said:


I'm also curious as to who tipped off stevent37 about the trash talk. I seriously doubt he was looking at this forum before Combat Wombat published the results of the first tech raid.





I'm curious as to how people in CN got tipped off that this forum existed in the first place, but then again I'm not on the ball when it comes to the great strategies of Cybernations....

[Combat Wombat]

GuyOfDoom said:

capnq said:


I'm also curious as to who tipped off stevent37 about the trash talk. I seriously doubt he was looking at this forum before Combat Wombat published the results of the first tech raid.





I'm curious as to how people in CN got tipped off that this forum existed in the first place, but then again I'm not on the ball when it comes to the great strategies of Cybernations....



You guys are so uncreative, just search google for wombat protectorate, this entire forum is indexed

[Atrocities]

Hello Guys. Sadly I guess you all know by now what has happened to Combat and the Wombat Protectorate has been officially dissolved. I know many of you will just move on but I want to ask each of you if you would consider an alternative to going it alone.

Come join me at OCS. As a new alliance we are always looking for members. I know many of you from Space Empires and I invite you to join forces with us at OCS and become a member.

As we grow we can provide aid to new nations and those who are trying to rebuild. Together we would be stronger and together we can move forward as an alliance worthy of respect.

If you are interested in joining the Organization of Confederated States, please pm me and I will send you our information.

Atrocities

[GuyOfDoom]

To be completely honest the 7 steps of what to do to join OCS is about 7 steps too many for me. I've already got another web game I'm enjoying far more and it's taking a good chunk of my attention.

[capnq]

I'm not convinced we were ever organized enough for CW to have the authority to dissolve the WP.

Let me rephrase my question, then. Is anyone negotiating with any Wolfpack member other than stevent37?

I'm having trouble thinking of a reason for anyone to Google this thread. It seems more likely to me that someone who already reads it pointed him here.

[Randallw]

I don't even know what the wolfpack is, or what was wrong with the aid CW gave out.

[Atrocities]

capnq we negotiated with the leader of the alliance not with stevent37. We did not get into a discussion about him. What we did do, after I was contacted last night and told to give up the tech I accepted, was work with them to try and save the guys in WP from being ZI'ed in a war.

GuyofDoom, seven very easy things to do. But if its not your thing, then good luck with the new game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

OCS is just inviting any one who wants a join the alliance to do so. We make no promises about things, we are a new alliance and being as such there are risks. But any one who joins would be getting in on the ground floor. It is entirely up to each of you what you want to do, I cannot tell you what to do nor would I ever even try. I just hope that if your interested that you join OCS. Other than that good luck to you in whatever you choose to do. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[GuyOfDoom]

capnq said:

I'm having trouble thinking of a reason for anyone to Google this thread. It seems more likely to me that someone who already reads it pointed him here.



I would be inclined to agree, but then again my past "horrible" crimes may have also drawn unwanted attention to the Wombat Protectorate.

[Santiago]

I looked this morning on CN and it doesn't say anything about the WP being dissolved. So far it's only been said it's dissolved in the forums here. Maybe a delay? Still says I'm in the WP alliance. Just an CN E-mail from Atrocities trolling for members for his alliance.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

My first thought was 'CNN? Why would WP news be on there?'

But, it is very early in the morning and I should get to sleep.

[Combat Wombat]

Santiago said:
I looked this morning on CN and it doesn't say anything about the WP being dissolved. So far it's only been said it's dissolved in the forums here. Maybe a delay? Still says I'm in the WP alliance. Just an CN E-mail from Atrocities trolling for members for his alliance.



Theres no actual way anyone can dissolve an alliance just like theres no way I could keep anyone from joining. The only reason I posted that it should be dissolved is because all of you will get attacked constantly with the alliance in such shambles it is way safer just for you to go mooch off another alliance for protection or actually join one like OCS.

[Santiago]

Thanks for the update. Time to move on then away from CN.

[Atrocities]

You try to invite people out of kindness and its called trolling. Nice.

[Santiago]

Sorry if you took it badly, and I apologize for the word "trolling" but I only read these forums concerning CN. Looking back the last few pages of posts. CW is doing pretty good, interspersed by join OCS, several times, then CW made some comments and then is doing bad and the Wombat Protectorate is "dissolved" but you can still join OCS.

Inquiring minds may want to know if this was some sort of elaborate plan to destroy the WP? Was there collusion between OCS and the Wolfpack to dismantle the WP? Was the forums not googled but intentionally pointed out? Who was the real puppetmaster pulling all the strings?

I'm sure we'll never really know but the truth is unimportant as long as there are conspiracy theories. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Which are more fun.

[Atrocities]

Santiago you have a very suspicious mind. Perhaps you should start writing fiction books. Produce a video "The Truth Behind WP's Bad Luck" and post it on youtube. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[GeneralJangles]

Look here Santiago, if it weren't for us coming and paying these guys reparations, alot of you would be living in peace mode. Just talk to Combat Wombat, from what I hear he had a little scuffle with someone in Wolfpack leadership, who is Steven37. We paid 4 million out of our own pockets to save these Wombat Protectorate members, and we are being scolded for our kindness?

[GuyOfDoom]

*sigh* It's a game, and as I've said and capnq has said before people seem to be letting their egos get a little too attached to it.

[Will]

No offense, but I would guess that most of the players in the Wombat Protectorate wouldn't care much if Wolfpack had begun attacking. It would make things interesting for a few days, and then game over, move on to other things. All the players that have a real interest in the game would have since left for other alliances where the game is taken a bit more seriously.

You are not really being scolded for your kindness. "Trolling" probably is a bit of a harsh term to use for AT's recruitment. I think "fishing" goes a little better. I wish you the best for your alliance. I won't be joining, simply because I don't care that much.

CN was a nice little 10-minute diversion for a few months, but I'm not about to invest any extra time or effort into a game that pales in comparison to the depth of the games I normally play. And especially not to get involved in what seems to be a very infantile "political" system.

Anyway, again, good luck with the OCS thing.

[Atrocities]

Fishing, ya that is a good analogy. Thanks Will. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif And ya it is just a stupid little game but what else better do you have to do for five minutes after 10:00 at night... Its a cheap distraction that a few folks, not me or GJ, really take all that seriously. But we do enjoy playing the game. That being said, so do a lot of other folks. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Santiago]

To me it wouldn't really matter Peace mode or War mode. But CN is just as much about politics as it is war. If you weren't conspiring, maybe you should have been. Either way it's just a game,

[dmm]

Isn't trolling just a fishing method? [heh heh heh. skulks away after stirring the pot.] http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

[capnq]

Well, it looks like the dust has settled. The WP is down to ten remaining members, and nobody seems to want to step up as the new official leader. Somebody (Jraenar, I think) suggested we become a "pure" democracy.

The Wolfpack appears to have been distracted by a major war with at least two bigger alliances than us.

[GuyOfDoom]

I go 1 day without checking my nation and two guys from brown alliance, each with twice my nation strength pummel me into oblivion.

I already was quitting travian, so there's no point in maintaining this either. I was enjoying myself this time around too. ah well.

[Renegade 13]

Hmmm, well...

I too have been attacked by not 2, but 3(!) guys from Brown alliance, all from OTF Alliance. All of them about 2x my nation strength...very brave of them, I thought...

Specific nation names: Bren24_OTF (he won one battle, I won another), BainyOTF (I won both battles), Replicant Nation (he won both battles).

Time to hit 'em back...and likely get blown to oblivion. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[GuyOfDoom]

Bren and Bainy are the ones that attacked me. It seems we have some predators.

[Will]

Heh. Bombs away it is, I suppose...

Also, FYI: today I logged in to two new messages. At first I thought I was attacked, but it turns out that the Wombat Protectorate now has two merger offers, one with NATO and one with Atlantis. I sent them both the same response:


Hi. Thanks for the offer, but I'm not really in a position to make any decision about it. The Wombat Protectorate is an alliance of members from a small strategy game board; our former leader apparently sneezed wrong, and one of the leaders of WOLFPACK got pissed off, and added him to their ZH list. So, he quit, and we don't exactly have a leader anymore. The rest of the alliance was "saved" by the former members who are into the whole politics thing and have gone off to other alliances that negotiated peace. Those of us that are left are the ones that treat CN as a small diversion, and are not really motivavted to go through the motions required to join most alliances in CN (join a freeboard, maintain minimum activity, etc).

Anyway, long story short: I cannot guarantee that anyone in the Wombat Protectorate would want to satisfy your minimum requirements for membership. Feel free to message any about joining your alliance, but we're all pretty inactive http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



In case anyone decides they would like to take up either offer, the NATO guy is Zamboanga (http://cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=27057),
and the Atlantis guy is Virillus (http://cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=9607), and since I basically told each to go ahead and recruit if they wanted... they'll probably send messages. Or you can message first if interested.

I am going to be declaring on these punks though... yet, I am surprised it took this long for someone to decide to take us on http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[capnq]

Will said: I am surprised it took this long for someone to decide to take us on http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


George Santayana said: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

The Wombat Protectorate had its first interalliance war back on June 29. (As I post this, that was 12-13 pages ago in this thread.)

Our counterattacks appear to be going well so far.

[Renegade 13]

I have reached an agreement with the OTF Alliance members for a cessation of hositilities between our two alliances. As such, I'm making peace with the ones I was at war with, and (part of the terms of the peace) is for the rest of the Wombat Protectorate to declare peace with the OTF Alliance members. I hope this wasn't too presumptuous of me, but I also hope you do make peace with them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

You guys need to elect a leader or something.

[Atrocities]

You do realize that this is an act of war don't you?

[Will]

Atrocities said:
You do realize that this is an act of war don't you?


Funny, I thought them attacking us was the act of war... sometimes I wonder how the CN political system got so bass-ackwards...

[Atrocities]

When you look right your looking at someones left.

[capnq]

narf poit chez BOOM said:
You guys need to elect a leader or something.

&lt;shrug&gt; None of the eight members who are left are masochistic enough to want the job. When Combat Wombat resigned, I asked every remaining member with a strength rating over 5000 if they wanted to volunteer to take over; nobody did. (In fact, two of the people I asked later left the WP.)

[capnq]

Just a heads up for my remaining allies: sometime since I last bought aircraft, C N modified the purchase requirements, reducing the per unit costs, but significantly raising the technology requirements.

I suppose this change was announced somewhere in the C N forums, but I don't pay enough attention to those to have noticed it.

(Has it really been five weeks since anyone's posted to this thread?)

[Atrocities]

My god does any one still play this game?

www.ocs.astempire.net (http://www.ocs.astempire.net)

[Randallw]

Actually I noticed a while ago that I didn't seem to have access to the aircraft I could once buy. Not being sure I thought perhaps I had once looked at a list of all the aircraft not the ones I could get.

I still play, a few minutes a day. Really all I do though is pay bills, get taxes then add infrastructure and from time to time add an improvement. There's not much else to do.

I intend to keep playing but it's getting similar to back when I played SWG. I only logged on every few days to maintain my miners. One day I packed them all up to move to the new guild city. Several weeks later I realised I had no reason to go back.

[Atrocities]

SWG was like the most boring game I have ever played. It was like having a second job.

[NullAshton]

Atrocities said:
SWG was like the most boring game I have ever played. It was like having a second job.



Well, SWG was a lot less fun after they removed the skilltree based system and added in the levels.

[capnq]

Randallw said: Actually I noticed a while ago that I didn't seem to have access to the aircraft I could once buy. Not being sure I thought perhaps I had once looked at a list of all the aircraft not the ones I could get.

Yes, that's exactly how I discovered it; I've got two models in my air force that I can't buy more of.

There's also a mention on the front page of the C N Wiki that the nation strength formula was modified (downward) recently.

[Atrocities]

Well I hate to add to this mystery, but I was able to access top of the line aircraft, but now I am two full grades below them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif And I have over 300 tech.

[President_Elect_Shang]

Here you go, this link (http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=309) should help to clear everything up. Since joining the IRON Council and being appointed the DMoD I've had to keep abreast of these changes. Also there is discussion of changing the DefCon system so you can only shift up or down by one level per day. So many people spoke out against it Admin has suspended the change for now. So say for example you are in DefCon 5 and someone attacks you. If this change passes it will take you four days to get to DefCon1.

DefCon5 = Day 1 You are attacked
DefCon4 = Day 1 In response to the attack that day
DefCon3 = Day 2 Still getting pounded
DefCon2 = Day 3 Still getting pounded but most tech raids start to wrap up when target is active
DefCon1 = Day 4 Most tech raids on actives are over by now

[Atrocities]

I thought you were nuked out of the game man! Now your on IRON council.... what was in those nukes... fertilizer?

[capnq]

NarbozaLand has been attacked by U.P.E.

Fiducia has offered aid and successfully counterattacked.

Edit: Update - U.P.E. has responded to Fiducia with two cruise missles, two bombing runs, and two ground attacks. I believe Fiducia is still ahead in terms of expenditures, but don't feel like running the math ATM.

In probably unrelated news, Fiducia also recieved an invitation to join the Norden Verein alliance, which happens to have a treaty with Nueva Vida, which is U.P.E.'s alliance.

[Will]

Hmmm, now I log in, and three different people, from three different alliances, have attacked me... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[capnq]

Update #2: U.P.E. called in its ally Bings Palace to attack Fiducia as well; the resulting casualties drove Fiducia into Anarchy. Fiducia has accepted Bings Palace's peace offer, and offered peace to U.P.E. on the condition that their alliance (Nueva Vida) leave NarbozaLand alone. (And my estimate that Fiducia was still ahead overall turned out to be grossly mistaken even before Bings Palace attacked.)

In unrelated (AFAIK) news, Jraenar has been hit so hard by a tech raid that his nation strength is now too low to counterattack the raider.

[Will]

Yeah, and it smells to me like it's not your general "tech raid". Since, you know, they seemed more concerned about bombing me than stealing tech. And then, all of a sudden, I get more recruitment letters from these alliances attacking us. One's of the tone "hey, you won't be attacked anymore if you join us," with the implicit statement, "the beatings will continue until you join us."

They can all frackin go to hell.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Ah, politics. It's like school all over again.

[capnq]

Peace has been declared in all three current wars.

[Atrocities]

Atrocitonia is now a nuclear power in the top 4% of the game.

[inigma]

I don't find the Wombat alliance in my alliance listing. Has the name changed? I just joined the game as the Kingdom of Inigma

[inigma]

Nevermind. I found it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I have joined the Wombat Protectorate.

[Atrocities]

inigma said:
Nevermind. I found it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I have joined the Wombat Protectorate.



Bad call man. Bad call. They are so small that they are classified as rogue and therefore open game to tech raids and pissed off nations looking for easy scores.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

Atrocities said:

inigma said:
Nevermind. I found it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I have joined the Wombat Protectorate.



Bad call man. Bad call. They are so small that they are classified as rogue and therefore open game to tech raids and pissed off nations looking for easy scores.



Yah. Join the OCS, you won't regret it.

[Renegade 13]

Or stay in the Protectorate, and be free from the restrictive big alliances with all their rules and crap, and go with a small group where you're not just one more cog in the massive gear-set of the large alliances http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

The OCS gives you a 500k join bonus no strings attached, and is a friendly alliance that looks after its own. We protect our nations, provide aid when necessary (especially to smaller nations) and we have an elaborate but clear system of organisation in place.

I really, really recommend it. From my personal experience, when I was a member of the Protectorate, all I did was collect taxes and buy infrastructure. I had almost nothing else to do with other nations, even of the Protectorate. In the OCS, I got infrastructure aid to help me make the jump past 1k infra, and we're setting up a trade network within the alliance to optimise resource sets. Really, joining us is in your best interests. [/Soviet diplomacy mode]

[inigma]

You mean to tell me that the Space Empires crowd hasn't banded together to one alliance? Oy. Who all is in what alliance. I want to join the alliance with the largest representation of SE players. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Atrocities]

Renegade 13 said:
Or stay in the Protectorate, and be free from the restrictive big alliances with all their rules and crap, and go with a small group where you're not just one more cog in the massive gear-set of the large alliances http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif



You have never been in an alliance so what do you know? Rules and such.. Don't attack nations in other alliances, good sportsmanship rules, and a generous aid program. Why fear that?

[Renegade 13]

Atrocities said:
You have never been in an alliance so what do you know? Rules and such.. Don't attack nations in other alliances, good sportsmanship rules, and a generous aid program. Why fear that?

Considering that I'm in the WP right now, saying I've never been in an alliance is an inaccurate statement...at least, it sure seems like an alliance to me?

Also, I have checked out the recruitment pages alliances spam a person with, their rules, etc, and have found them to be more restrictive than I'd like. Therefore, I believe I am in a position to comment on the state of big alliances, thank you very much! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

[capnq]

inigma said: You mean to tell me that the Space Empires crowd hasn't banded together to one alliance?

We did, back when this thread started.

But over two-thirds of the membership bolted during the last crisis. The ones who stayed were the people who weren't emotionally invested enough in their nations to care whether they got wiped out by the predator states.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Ah, politics. You can learn everything you need to know about it in elementary school.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

Renegade 13 said:

Atrocities said:
You have never been in an alliance so what do you know? Rules and such.. Don't attack nations in other alliances, good sportsmanship rules, and a generous aid program. Why fear that?

Considering that I'm in the WP right now, saying I've never been in an alliance is an inaccurate statement...at least, it sure seems like an alliance to me?

Also, I have checked out the recruitment pages alliances spam a person with, their rules, etc, and have found them to be more restrictive than I'd like. Therefore, I believe I am in a position to comment on the state of big alliances, thank you very much! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif



What makes you think we are exactly the same as those big alliances? Yes, we have rules, but they are not restrictive. Mostly, we're trying to help each other out wherever possible.

[Atrocities]

Renegade 13 said:

Atrocities said:
You have never been in an alliance so what do you know? Rules and such.. Don't attack nations in other alliances, good sportsmanship rules, and a generous aid program. Why fear that?

Considering that I'm in the WP right now, saying I've never been in an alliance is an inaccurate statement...at least, it sure seems like an alliance to me?



You are wrong, WP is not an alliance.



Also, I have checked out the recruitment pages alliances spam a person with, their rules, etc, and have found them to be more restrictive than I'd like. Therefore, I believe I am in a position to comment on the state of big alliances, thank you very much! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif



Again you are wrong. By your own definition, you have proven that you have NO experience at all. So I ask you, name some. Name what these "rules" that you don't like so much are? What alliances have you checked out? I have been in four alliances, WP, The Legion, IRON, and now OCS. In all of them there were no restrictive rules... Name one rule that you think is restrictive? Go ahead, put your accusations to print so they can be verified or debunked.

[Atrocities]

And for those of you in the WP with short memories, it was OCS who saved you ALL from being ZI'ed (Zero Infrastructure)by Wolfpack a couple of months ago. A lot of people, especially those in Wolfpack, couldn't understand why General Jangles and I went out on such a limb for you all. GJ did it because I asked him for help, I did it because I was once a member of WP. Those nations that have joined OCS over he last couple of months have been given nearly 40 million in aid. Not a lot but enough to help them get going. The aid is given out on a regular basis. We offer 500k to new members as a sign up bonus, 500k to any one who referrers a new member, and 1m via our Infrastructure Aid Program. (We want all members to be at 1k infrastructure within a few months of joining.) To date those who have attacked our member nations have been dealt with harshly, and we have many allies.

Our Alliance rules are up front, don't tech raid active nations, nations in alliances, nations we have agreements with, or nations in the same team color. Don't steal from us, be polite, and have a good sportsmen attitude when engaging in war. The only one that might be considered as restrictive is that we require all nations within the alliance to be on the same team color. We do this for two reasons, unity, and the happiness bonus you get for trading with other alliance nations.

Now if that makes us an evil alliance then so be it.

[capnq]

OK, I'm Officially Fed Up.
Atrocities said: [The WP] are so small that they are classified as rogue and therefore open game to tech raids and pissed off nations looking for easy scores. [...]

You have never been in an alliance so what do you know? [...]

You are wrong, WP is not an alliance. [...]

Rules and such.. Don't attack nations in other alliances, good sportsmanship rules, and a generous aid program. Why fear that?

One of my objections is exactly this kind of <font color="red">CONDESCENDING ARROGANCE</font>.

Before the attack on NarbozaLand, the WP was at peace for over three weeks. The last tech raid that I can recall a member of WP launching was before the war with the Wolfpack. Yet WE are labeled a "rogue alliance" because we haven't published a pompous public charter, and prefer not to interact with people in the festering cesspool that is the C N Forums, while larger "established" alliances, who use tech raids to enforce the protection racket that they try to recruit new members with, aren't even publically criticized (partly because they're known to respond to public criticism with overwhelming military force).

I do not have the same goals in the game as you do. I don't even define success in the same terms as you seem to. Stop assuming there's only one way to play this silly game.


Name one rule that you think is restrictive?

Loyalty oaths. Suicidal mutual defense pacts with "sanctioned" alliances. Mandatory membership in a particular team has been the dealbreaker for almost every alliance that's tried to recruit me.

One reason I'm not interested in OCS, in particular, is that I frankly don't trust the good judgement of their leadership, as evidenced in this very thread.

What ticks me off the most, though, is that I seem to have become the de facto leader of WP, by virtue of being the only member willing to respond to attacks on allies with military force. I <font color="red">HATE</font> feeling forced to assume this responsibilty.

As my first official act as WP's new leader, I hereby formally request that Atrocities, Strategia, and anyone else so inclined, STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT FOR YOUR ALLIANCE IN THIS THREAD. If you insist on sniping our members, at least have the courtesy to do so in private communications.

AndyCarnegie, CEO of Fiducia and President of the WP, God help us.

(And if I've hurt anyone's feelings, be thankful that I had the self-restraint to not post the obscenity-laced rant that I caught myself composing over lunch.)

[capnq]

Atrocities said: And for those of you in the WP with short memories, it was OCS who saved you ALL from being ZI'ed (Zero Infrastructure)by Wolfpack a couple of months ago.

The OCS (which BTW, is now a "protectorate" of the Wolfpack) acceding to the Wolfpack's blackmail demands is one of the reasons I don't trust your judgement.
have a good sportsmen attitude when engaging in war.

If you're so keen on "good sportsmanship", why don't YOU do something about this protection racket? I'm sure the WP isn't their only victims.

[Atrocities]

Hey capnq, I was not being condescending and I would hope that you would know that by now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

And for the record, I am not trying to recruit your 7 members. Believe me if I were recruiting them, they would already be members of OCS.


Loyalty oaths. Suicidal mutual defense pacts with "sanctioned" alliances. Mandatory membership in a particular team has been the dealbreaker for almost every alliance that's tried to recruit me.



Hey I hear you about the team color thing. Oh well, it is a turn off for many people. But all because you dislike it doesn't mean its a bad thing.


What ticks me off the most, though, is that I seem to have become the de facto leader of WP, by virtue of being the only member willing to respond to attacks on allies with military force. I HATE feeling forced to assume this responsibilty.



And this is why I say that WP is not an alliance... No real leader, no one willing to work together, no cohesion, no loyalty, just a group of players sharing a name that amounts to giving a license to any nations to tech raid you all.


One reason I'm not interested in OCS, in particular, is that I frankly don't trust the good judgement of their leadership, as evidenced in this very thread.



Ok so what you're saying here is that I should not have saved your asses from Wolfpack. Well O-kay then, from this point forward the protection that I have been extending you is hereby suspended and you my dear friend are on your own.

Enjoy the pounding. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Renegade 13]

In respect for the rest of you who probably don't care to hear me figuratively screaming back and forth at Atrocities, well...you may wish to skip over this post. Also contains a response to capnq. Or read it for your amusement, your choice! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif As you can probably tell, I'm a little grumpy today.



capnq said:
What ticks me off the most, though, is that I seem to have become the de facto leader of WP, by virtue of being the only member willing to respond to attacks on allies with military force. I <font color="red">HATE</font> feeling forced to assume this responsibilty.

I am sorry you've been put in this position capnq. As you may know, I was tech-raided into oblivion on my original nation, and ended up starting over (after getting raped by 3 nations on a continual basis). If not for the fact that I'm still far too low to be of any use, I'd have been happy to help out when other members are attacked.

Also, thank you for addressing most of the points I was going to make to Atrocities.

Atrocities, to be honest, I thought better of you than to come in here with an attitude such as you have evidenced in this thread.

WP is an alliance, as an alliance is defined as a grouping of nations banded together for mutual assistance. We are a group of nations, and we are banded together or mutual assistance, therefore we are an alliance. The fact that we don't give two ****es and a [censored] about 'formal relations' with other alliances or any of that BS does not make us any less an alliance. Please don't even try to object to the logic of that argument.

Oh, and I don't recall anyone from WP asking for the assistance of your oh-so-mighty alliance when we were being attacked. As far as I know, we all knew that there was a chance some griefers would jump on us since our alliance was 'too small' and couldn't offer sufficient resistance to tech-raiding *******s. So please don't come in here and act all high-and-mighty about risking your own necks to defend us. No one asked you to.

I have been spammed by so many "come join our alliance, we're the best, you just have to follow these rules, blah blah blah" messages from so many alliances that I can't recall specific names off-hand. Now, I know you'll take that as an admission that I simply don't have any names since there are none; please don't be that foolish. It simply means I don't give a [censored]. I also don't need to specifically mention any rules that I object to, as I object to ALL of them that would attempt to change whatever style I choose to play the game with. It is a game, and as such, I don't want to deal with a bunch of bull**** rules.

[Renegade 13]

Atrocities said:
And for the record, I am not trying to recruit your 7 members. Believe me if I were recruiting them, they would already be members of OCS.

Enjoy the pounding. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



The bolding was added by me for added emphasis.

From this response of yours, I take it you are one of those alliances who enjoy beating the crap out of nations then sending them messages saying "hey, if you join us we'll stop beating the crap out of you! Good deal eh? Oh, and if you don't we'll pound you into the ground just for the hell of it. Have a nice day!"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that surely is the impression I get from this post.

[Atrocities]

capnq said:

Atrocities said: And for those of you in the WP with short memories, it was OCS who saved you ALL from being ZI'ed (Zero Infrastructure)by Wolfpack a couple of months ago.

The OCS (which BTW, is now a "protectorate" of the Wolfpack) acceding to the Wolfpack's blackmail demands is one of the reasons I don't trust your judgement.
have a good sportsmen attitude when engaging in war.

If you're so keen on "good sportsmanship", why don't YOU do something about this protection racket? I'm sure the WP isn't their only victims.



We didn't cave to any blackmail. Wolfpack doesn't blackmail any one as they are an honorable alliance. We made them an offer, they accepted. Through that contact we became good friends and that blossomed into what we have today. That is good leadership, the willingness to take steps to protect your members nations and provide them with the best chances for success.

And for the record, Wolfpack has a hell of a lot more going for them than you give them credit for. They have my loyalty because they earned it. I have nothing but respect from them because I have gotten to know many of there member nations. What happened between WP and Wolfpack was unfortunate and I am sorry that you cannot see past your own anger and distrust to see the larger positive picture that lays before you.

[Atrocities]

Renegade 13 said:

Atrocities said:
And for the record, I am not trying to recruit your 7 members. Believe me if I were recruiting them, they would already be members of OCS.

Enjoy the pounding. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



The bolding was added by me for added emphasis.

From this response of yours, I take it you are one of those alliances who enjoy beating the crap out of nations then sending them messages saying "hey, if you join us we'll stop beating the crap out of you! Good deal eh? Oh, and if you don't we'll pound you into the ground just for the hell of it. Have a nice day!"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that surely is the impression I get from this post.



Again your lack of complete insight amazes me. I thought for sure after reading your post I would stop laughing, but it hasn't happened yet. So please excuse me as I take the evil alliance that I belong to and leave you and your group to your fate.

[Atrocities]

MODERATOR MODE


Now, feel free to use your god-like moderator privleges to kill this post, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if you do.



My record as a moderator speaks for itself Renegade. You of all people know this and it hurts me greatly that you would imply that I would abuse the privileges that Shrapnel has extended to me.

Any time you feel that I have abused my moderator position, I would hope that you would contact Shrapnel and let them know.

END MODERATOR MODE

As for the your attitude here Renegade, well lets just say that I apologize for pissing you off. CN is just a game like any other. I thought I was doing a nice thing, but like with all good intentions, they come back to bite you in the ***. So again, you and your member nations are on your own. I wish you all well.

[Renegade 13]

Atrocities said:
My record as a moderator speaks for itself Renegade. You of all people know this and it hurts me greatly that you would imply that I would abuse the privileges that Shrapnel has extended to me.

Any time you feel that I have abused my moderator position, I would hope that you would contact Shrapnel and let them know.

My apologies, I was out of line when I made that comment; it shall be edited out of my post. My anger got the best of me, a condition I attempt to prevent from happening, but sometimes fail at.


Again your lack of complete insight amazes me. I thought for sure after reading your post I would stop laughing, but it hasn't happened yet. So please excuse me as I take the evil alliance that I belong to and leave you and your group to your fate.

To you, lack of insight, to me, common sense. Lets just agree to disagree and leave it at that.


As for the your attitude here Renegade, well lets just say that I apologize for pissing you off. CN is just a game like any other. I thought I was doing a nice thing, but like with all good intentions, they come back to bite you in the ***. So again, you and your member nations are on your own. I wish you all well.

Please don't think that I speak for all the members of the WP, I only speak for myself. Perhaps you were attempting to do the right thing, I don't doubt you did have good intentions. However, your attitude came off arrogant and condescending, which is what really set my temper flaring, as such things seriously piss me off.

[Atrocities]

You are right, I had no right to throw stones at you our your alliance. I was out of line.

[capnq]

I normally only check these boards once a day.

The only reason I came back the second time today was that I got an e-mail notification of a reply to a PM I sent.

The only reason I've come back a third time is that I'm still too ticked off to concentrate on any of the things I normally do to chill out. I have been having a "bad day" for most of the last two months.

Out in the real world, the holidays are always a rough time for me. This year in particular, I am in the middle of a near "perfect storm" of stress, and I do not need my hobbies to make things worse, rather than help.

I'm glad to see that at least Renegade understands my viewpoint. Otherwise, I don't think anything that anyone has posted since my last rant deserves the response I'm tempted to give it right now.

(And don't anybody dare say that they hope things get better for me, because I have no realistic expectation of that happening before December 30th, at the earliest.)

[Atrocities]

I was out of line with you Capnq, and I hope that the 30th comes quickly for you this year.

[Will]

Might as well chime in...

To capnq: Sorry you feel that you are forced into a leadership position you do not want. If I had logged on before you did, it would probably be me that declared on the raider (along with a "hey, not cool, quick attacking us" message sent to the raider and whoever looks like alliance "leadership"). Then, I would probably be in even worse shape than I ended up, probably being beaten to a pulp in the offensive war and the three defensive I ended up getting, but oh well, that's just how I play. As it was, I didn't log in until I was already hit by three others, and in no shape to do much of anything.

To capnq and Renegade13: I think the three of us are in agreement about sticking with WP and avoiding the rules of other alliances. Requirements to change team color, mandatory forum participation (I visit enough forums as is, thankyouverymuch), crazy MDP obligations, and there was even one that required members to never leave... EVER. No thanks.

To Atrocities and Strategia: Glad your alliances are working out for you. It is just not the right thing for me. Every time I look at the whole political side of the alliances in CN, I am astounded by how juvenile it all is; I feel like I am going back to junior high, and not in a good way. The only alliance I would even consider is one that allows me to communicate through PM, with the occasional IRC session, without needing to join forums, an alliance that is ok with me not being around daily (being gone for weeks at a time if necessary), an alliance that has zero agreements higher than ODAP, an alliance that doesn't care if I keep my color and the trade agreements that I am happy with. Show me the alliance that allows me that flexibility, and I'll consider joining. So far, the only one I've found is WP.

And to all: It is a game. Do try to get not so worked up over things. It is supposed to be fun. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

--edit: And when I log in, I see someone else from Nueva Vida has attacked Ragnaroc... I had already warned one of them that what they were doing looked an awful lot like forced recruitment, which tends to be looked down upon, and they should back off. Seems now they haven't taken the hint. I'm taking screenshots of the evidence I have now, if the stuff doesn't stop I'll be posting it and let them deal with whatever consequences may come their way.

[GuyOfDoom]

I pretty much stopped the game because it comes down to conditional etiquette. As for the wolfpack attack on WP to me it was pretty much cowardice, but to others it's just a "part of the game" because we appearantly lacked the cohesiveness to "properly" defend ourselves.

Either way it wasn't worth my time reading the forums to discover the countless etiquettes involved in a game that allows you to grow stronger by paying money as opposed to actually working at it.

[Atrocities]

CN forums are pure unadulterated evil. Avoid them at all costs.

[Combat Wombat]

Arrg you people have dragged me back in here again

1. Wolfpack is not an honorable alliance atrocities their attacks on me fully sactioned by their leadership yet contrary to their charter and following extortion is more than enough evidence of that.

2. Please stop fighting over this stupid browser game I know for a fact every single person in this thread is above it you just need to step back for a minute and look around.

[capnq]

Despite my best intentions to not even look at this thread until I cool off, replies to PMs keep dragging me back.

A second Nueva Vida member has piled on Ragnaroc, but Ragnaroc has not replied to my original inquiry about whether he wants help, and has been inactive now for nine days. Even as steamed as I still am, I can't justify a punitive counterattack by Fiducia if Ragnaroc has already dropped out of C N.

[Will]

Hmmm, dusty thread...

Anyway, things seem to have calmed down with Nueva Vida no longer attacking (or recruiting...), and the holidays. My nation is at 3999.99 infra, and I've decided that's a good spot to hold for a while. So what I'll be doing is sending out aid packages to the Wombat Protectorate, starting from the bottom. It looks like I'll be making nearly $2.5 million per day (after bills), so I'll be able to send out aid fairly often. The plan right now is send $3 million to Singularity on Sunday, then another $3 million to Tyyria on Tuesday, with the rest of the cash either buying myself some more tech or land. Then sometime in the week after that is Fiducia, Ragnaroc (if active), NarbozaLand, and Hevordah Hive (if Ragnaroc inactive). By then 10 days will elapse between the first $3 million to Singularity, so I'll go 'round again. Basically until all of WP is closer to parity, or we get raided again, or I decide to start growing again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Atrocities]

Don't waste your money on Land. That is pretty much rule number one for the game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Buy Tech.

[capnq]

Sigh. I was planning to let this thread sink under the weight of my rant, and start a new one if there was any WP business to discuss. At 60+ pages, it's getting hard to navigate.

I'm surprised that the two expired wars with NV are still coming up on the Search Wars page; it looks like they only purge the database after two months.

[Will]

The wars on the global screen seem to be tied to your local war screen; if you delete it on the local one, then it disappears from the global, which is why the three wars against me are no longer there.

As for the thread, if you want to start a new one, as long as the friendly neighborhood mods are ok with it, so am I. I only use this one because it's there, I use "backwards" threads so long threads are no problem, and this forum has a tradition of epic threads http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[capnq]

Aha! That explains it, thanks. I haven't looked at my local Wars &amp; Battles screen since peace was declared. I've just been monitoring things with the recently added Search Wars button in the alliance box.

[capnq]

Will said: I use "backwards" threads so long threads are no problem

(Didn't notice this part when I wrote my last reply.) So do I, but it's tedious to refer a non-member to a particular post and say, "it's currently on either page 2 or page 59", since I don't remember which order the display defaults to when you're not logged in. I don't trust cut &amp; paste of complicated URLs like these to actually link where I want them to.

[Atrocities]

Looks like PE Shang's nation is gone. He hasn't done anything with CN since mid December. I wonder what happened. I wonder if the flood up where he lived negatively affected his family in some way. I hope he and his family are well.

[Will]

Well, first round of aid has gone out. $12 million sent out, couldn't send 15 because of some trade troubles, and had to buy a trade deal. Looks like I am about to lose another one, and a much more serious one (Fish/Wheat, +16% population, which is basically +16% income).

That's going to be much harder to replace, so I'm saving up collections now to make the 4k infra jump and get some more happiness improvements before I lose the trade, since it will take some time to find a replacement. I'll appear "inactive" for several days, while I build up tax collections to buy enough infrastructure to make up for the increased costs (looks like it's going to cost me $16 million).

I should still be able to regularly send out $3 million when my aid slots refresh though, it just might not be &gt;$1 million/day.

[Atrocities]

Any one still playing this game or not? I am and I am in the top 1% so if you are still playing drop me an in game PM. Atrocities.

[Randallw]

I still play. I went down quite a big in the big war what with getting nuked a lot, but am currently building back up again.

[Atrocities]

Good to hear. Drop me a line in the game.

[Xrati]

Just joined. AT, whats your country?

Servee is a tiny, under developed, and new nation at 1 days old with citizens primarily of Mixed ethnicity who follow mixed religions. It is a backwards nation when it comes to technology and many refer to it unkindly as a 'Third World Nation'. Its citizens enjoy freedom from high taxation and as a result tend to earn more money. The citizens of Servee work diligently to produce Lumber and Gold as tradable resources for their nation. It is a very passive country when it comes to foreign affairs and has no interests in war. Servee is currently researching nuclear technology for the use of nuclear power plants but believes nuclear weapons should be banned. Servee has no definite position on drug use in the country at this time. Servee allows its citizens to openly protest their government, even if it means violence. It has an open border policy, but in order for immigrants to remain in the country they will have to become citizens first. Servee believes in the freedom of speech and feels that it is every citizen's right to speak freely about their government. The government gives foreign aid when it can, but looks to take care of its own people first. Servee has no definite position on trade relations.

[Atrocities]

I will get you some aid to help you out. I also sent you a message in game. :)

[Xrati]

Thanks for the help AT. :angel This gives me some time and the ability to search out trade partners to best fit my resources. When I'm up and running a little stronger I'll join your team. Right now I will remain independent, seeking my fame and fortune.... :D

Randallw, what country are you???

[Atrocities]

Hey if you reroll to get better resources let me know and I will arrange another aid bomb.

[Xrati]

I've got Lumber and Gold. I have a trade for Jems and Spice right now. I need lead and oil for High Tech and the lead for scholars, Then with silver and coal, I'll have fine jewerly (which I had but the trade was cancelled), That would be a pretty nice combo of trades. BTW, when it comes time to join a team, which one is the current one from here or the one to join? I looked for the wombat protectorate but I think it's gone! :(

PS: I'm on "DIAL UP" for a while as comcast raised my rates and I told them to stick it! :mad:
So write me at CN so I don't have to go looking at all these sites which take forever to load.... :sick: