Could u stop Gorgon?

Reverend Zombie · #1 March 21st, 2007, 05:07 PM

I thought Maggots was especially for undead. Dunno about Wither Bones.

Nick_K · #2 March 21st, 2007, 09:02 PM

AFAIK neither maggots nor wither bones nor dust to dust affect demons

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Oh, unless it's changed since Doms2 dust to dust almost certainly doesn't do physical damage. I remember well an AI caster zapping a square of 6 shade hounds with the spell and killing them all outright. That would be extremely unlikely to happen if there was only a 1/4 chance of each hound being affected.

Not sure why we're talking about dust-to-dust here though. The gorgon isn't undead is she?

TirAsleen · #3 March 21st, 2007, 09:35 PM

No, but she could use that spell against undead pretenders that would be good to kill her.

Xietor · #4 March 21st, 2007, 10:23 PM

Ok, in my current game where my friend resigned in late winter of year 7, I had a situation with marigon attacking me with a huge army. 471 castle bought troops and 18 commanders, many of which cast paralyze(an overpowered spell that needs a nerf). they were about to storm the giant's capitol that i had captured earlier.

Flew my gorgon there just in time. I had dom 8 in the square, and had both gift of health and haunted forest up.

The Gorgon had 144 hps, regenerated 29 hps a turn, 28 ac, 12 revig, 31 defense, 26 mr, 100 percent resistance to poison, fire, lightning, 50 percent resist to cold.

ember, barrier shield, lightning helm, silver hauberk, boots antaues, krupps bracer, ring regeneration, scripted,summon earthpower, mistform, mirror image, fire shield, and iron will, attack closest.

Of course right off the bat i get paralyzed. But my regen unbuffed was still 27 a turn, and despite my defense being zero, the gorgon was never hurt badly, she petrified all of the calvary that got to her, crossbow bolts fell harmlessly around her. She won the fight against 471 troops 18 commanders with ease, despite being paralyzed.

of course a few bane lords with wraith swords, and she would have died. But this is a perfect example of how a flying gorgon can pick her fights, and beat down a huge army late in the game that is not tailor made to kill her.

most scs, being paralyzed, would have died. But against mr 10 armies, the gorgon killed them before they could hurt her.

Wish · #5 March 21st, 2007, 10:57 PM

your opponent was stupid for not preparing for the possiblity of a gorgon, if he knew you had one.

Xietor · #6 March 21st, 2007, 11:19 PM

he is not a die hard Dom III player. He has played many times, but he plays wow more than any other game.

TirAsleen · #7 March 21st, 2007, 11:58 PM

Wonder what this thread should achieve...higher design point cost simlar to VQ? If you convience enough people Gorgon is extremely strong we maybe can see this in a next patch.

Actually i would have no problem with that, why VQ lost ethereal and cost 175 design points and Gorgon still rambles around? While there are possiblities to kill her it seems just that petrification is too much overall as an ablitiy. It even works on magic res16 units, some people should have a look how high national troops magic res is! So what can be done is to make Gorgon cost more or nerf that petrify ability. Or restore old power of VQ.

Makes me also a bit wonder why you exclude immortal Pretenders in your games, but not Gorgon, i find the Gorgon more brutal overall.

Nick_K · #8 March 22nd, 2007, 08:05 AM

Yeah, I don't play Mp myself so I'm hardly a top strategist, but expecting the gorgon I'd include a high-mr thug or two with heavily damaging weapons in every army fighting in your dominion, maybe script a few 'horror mark' spells as well and try to dispell gift of health on top of that.

(edit), sorry forgot to read page 5 before replying! This is in reference to the battle vs 18 commanders 400-odd troops referenced there

Teraswaerto · #9 March 22nd, 2007, 05:27 AM

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Xietor said:
paralyze(an overpowered spell that needs a nerf).

Why? Because it can be used to beat a gorgon? If paralyze is overpowered, what about spells that offer no MR save?

You should try playing with people who know Dom3 as well as, or better, than you, and see if the gorgon still seems as good. I see no need for a nerf.

mivayan · #10 March 22nd, 2007, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Xietor said:
Ok, in my current game where my friend resigned in late winter of year 7, I had a situation with marigon attacking me with a huge army. 471 castle bought troops and 18 commanders, many of which cast paralyze(an overpowered spell that needs a nerf).

A bunch of astral-2 mages? Be glad he didn't give one two gems and orders to cast Light of the northern star, with the rest spamming soul slay