My immortal phoenix died of a disease??

Hellboy · #1 April 26th, 2007, 10:21 AM

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llamabeast said:
I just did a test. Gave a phoenix a bane venom charm and hit 'e' a lot. Anyway, hit points fell steadily to 1, then the phoenix just "moved" to the capital (obviously died and reappeared there). It had lost the bane venom charm, and the next turn got back to full hit points.

So it seems like the bug doesn't exist after all, or at least not consistently. Edi, apologies for posting on the bug thread without proper testing.

I'm about 99% sure that there is a bug out there that would explain the OP's (rather bald) statement, and perhaps Graeme's post as well. I'm not sure if this is a known bug (but I haven't seen it on the bug list), but here's how I think year end disease processing works:

In the month which new afflictions are checked for and added, there are two months worth of disease degeneration that occurs. So, for example, if you're using fever fetishes on a scout (one of the easier ways to test this), and your at month 12 with 2 hps, as you roll over to month 1, your scout will be dead.

Moreover, if you have a scout with 1hp at month 12, he will die w/ no announcement. This is the category which I think might explain the immortal dying due to disease. I suspect the first of the two disease processing steps is incomplete, and if an immortal is processed in this way, the reincarnation step is skipped (just as the death announcement step is skipped with my scouts).

I've been wanting to put together a simple test that shows this, but I believe I've seen this many times, and I believe that this is 100% repeatable.

Graeme Dice · #2 April 26th, 2007, 10:42 AM

The easiest way I've seen to make this occur is to use the master with the iron crutch.

Kalkkis · #3 April 26th, 2007, 12:51 PM

Now that I think about it, I think in SP game few of my old mages got disease during late winter. That's normal, but when I checked their HP, they had only 8 out of 10, so I think it's possible there is extra round of disease during late winter when aging checks are done. Maybe this is when immortals might die of disease?

ologm · #4 April 26th, 2007, 02:43 PM

I had one of those LA atlantis capital only mages who got diseased.

I had him cast twiceborn and set him to charge the enemy in a friendly dominion.

He died but didn't reappear in my capitol as a wight mage. I don't have the turn anymore, but I'm pretty sure that was a bug.

mivayan · #5 April 26th, 2007, 05:34 PM

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Hellboy said:
I'm about 99% sure that there is a bug out there that would explain the OP's (rather bald) statement, and perhaps Graeme's post as well. I'm not sure if this is a known bug (but I haven't seen it on the bug list), but here's how I think year end disease processing works:

In the month which new afflictions are checked for and added, there are two months worth of disease degeneration that occurs. So, for example, if you're using fever fetishes on a scout (one of the easier ways to test this), and your at month 12 with 2 hps, as you roll over to month 1, your scout will be dead.

Moreover, if you have a scout with 1hp at month 12, he will die w/ no announcement. This is the category which I think might explain the immortal dying due to disease. I suspect the first of the two disease processing steps is incomplete, and if an immortal is processed in this way, the reincarnation step is skipped (just as the death announcement step is skipped with my scouts).

Late winter!! You might be on to something here.

I posted a savegame here with this bug, in october.

My phoenix died in friendly dominion, battle report said no commander died, as normal. Same turn, a message that my Phoenix died of a disease, but there was *no province name* for where he died. Hall of fame shows a disease, but there was none in the battle, so apparantly he got it during the killing blow. This was in Late Winter, sounds like a bug in the old age mechanic.

Edi · #6 April 26th, 2007, 06:31 PM

Mivayan, please give me the post number. Search based links tend to get seriously screwed up if people have different posts per page settings in their profile, because the profile settings and the link settings don't mesh and it gets all screwy.

This looks like it's certainly going to get re-entered into the shortlist, but I want all the links so the entry will be as good as possible. This is one of the more complex bugs I've seen so far.

mivayan · #7 April 26th, 2007, 10:33 PM

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Edi said:
Mivayan, please give me the post number. Search based links tend to get seriously screwed up if people have different posts per page settings in their profile, because the profile settings and the link settings don't mesh and it gets all screwy.

It's #457985, I think. Is this the right way to link to it?

Edi · #8 April 27th, 2007, 03:45 AM

Thanks. When linking to specific single posts somewhere, this is the best way to do it. Click on the "Re: <whatever>" after the post title, then substitute the post number and remove everything after that, it'll get you the cleanest link.

vfb · #9 April 28th, 2007, 08:01 PM

I was very surprised when I recently completed Call God to find that two of my pretender's afflictions had disappeared. He had four when he died. He is not immortal, and does not have recuperation (he's a Cyclops).

MaxWilson · #10 April 28th, 2007, 08:03 PM

Yes, you always have some chance to heal afflictions when coming back from death.

-Max