Something that needs redoing

Kamamura · #1 March 18th, 2008, 12:39 PM

I second them. Never played them much, because they all looks like little ants. The spiders are interesting, though. I looked at their militia, and it must be the weakest unit in the game. Yes, they are numerous, but they must die like flies.

Kamamura · #2 March 18th, 2008, 12:48 PM

Yes, just tried a battle with 80+ militia against some wolftribe, they received first salvo from shortbows and run away. Defense 8, attack 8, morale 8, protection 0, these guys are ridiculous!

Dedas · #3 March 18th, 2008, 01:08 PM

They are pretty good at patrolling (best in fact):
High AP (13)
Decent precision (10)
Low cost/upkeep (7)

The only Machakan unit that can contend is the archer but it is more expensive in both upkeep and cost (10).

Combine the milita with an eye of the lord and you can tax your provinces very high for a low price.

Kamamura · #4 March 18th, 2008, 01:16 PM

But you will kill off your population

Dedas · #5 March 18th, 2008, 01:26 PM

Well population won't win you any wars, gold will however. So if you treat your population like any other resource you will see that you must invest, transforming it into castles. Castles means more resources and resources means more troops. With troops you can get more provinces and thus more population to tax.

If you play defensive and are not expanding rapidly I can see that killing population will mean trouble. But that trouble is nothing compared to the offensive players heading your way.

Also, in late game gold isn't needed much (except for upkeep), gems are. To get more gems you want magic sites and that means lots of provinces - see above.

NTJedi · #6 March 19th, 2008, 01:41 AM

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Dedas said:
They are pretty good at patrolling (best in fact):
High AP (13)
Decent precision (10)
Low cost/upkeep (7)

The only Machakan unit that can contend is the archer but it is more expensive in both upkeep and cost (10).

Combine the milita with an eye of the lord and you can tax your provinces very high for a low price.

Using them for patrolling is good as long as you have no enemies which can attack those provinces... for large maps having them patrol essentially weakens the province for an easy takeover.

Dedas · #7 March 19th, 2008, 03:29 AM

I agree. But early on they are decent on patrol, later you could use them as cheap chaff in your armies.
Oh, and they will eventually get some moral when patrolling due to experience. Add that to friendly dominion and they suddenly have 10.

Juzza · #8 March 19th, 2008, 04:02 AM

Forget the militia being weak, it's more of the fact that, for instance, Acro gets hoplites in their province defence! why can't Machaka get their hoplites?

NTJedi · #9 March 19th, 2008, 04:15 AM

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Juzza said:
Forget the militia being weak, it's more of the fact that, for instance, Acro gets hoplites in their province defence! why can't Machaka get their hoplites?

I agree... anything would be better.

Endoperez · #10 March 19th, 2008, 04:52 AM

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Juzza said:
Forget the militia being weak, it's more of the fact that, for instance, Acro gets hoplites in their province defence! why can't Machaka get their hoplites?

MA Arco gets Peltast, 2xCardaces from PD under 20, hoplites and a Priestess for PD above 20.

Machaka gets 3 militia and 1 Warrior for PD under 20, hoplites and normal commander for PD above 20. If this was changed, something like 2xWarriors, 1xArchers for PD under 20, hoplites and perhaps a Witch Doctor for PD above 20 would be much better.